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This is such a silly claim. There have been a handful of cases of white supremacists managed to get hired. Out of 800,000 cops. Terrorists, spies, and gang memb

This is such a silly claim. There have been a handful of cases of white supremacists managed to get hired. Out of 800,000 cops. Terrorists, spies, and gang members manage to join government agencies and the military as well. Also, if you don’t know how many bad cops there are, and you don’t know how many good cops there are, and you have no clue how many good cops report on bad cops, you can’t even begin to make that claim. You’re just being an “ACAB” guy, despite the fact that you desperately need police.

14 6y ago
True. But I do have one anecdotal story. My brother was beat up in custody by local police but they forgot they were on camera or something so my brother got a hold of the footage through a lawyer and they paid my brother enough money he was able to put it to a down payment of a house. The finding of the investigation; the officer involved was guilty of assaulting him among other things such as not telling the truth as to what happened but since he was about to retire in a month they decided they would not be taking action towards the officer. My brother is a loser who probably mouthed him off and had it coming but this officer is also a loser for losing his cool in a professional setting costing me as a tax payer money. Was he actually punished? No. So the next officer as long as he is close to retirement thinks he can get off free. In a just society you get punished. I would be royally screwed if one week before my retirement I hit an elderly patient who got out of hand. So we don't have equal laws for people and police.
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  Yeah, so it turns out that unwavering support for unions doesn’t always go as planned.
  - adamsea 6y ago
    Unions are a tool - a means for labor to organize and exercise power to see to the best interests of its members. Ideally that functions as a way for labor to negotiate with management for humane working conditions, etc, and for worker solidarity. Any tool can be abused. Plus police unions really do seem like a special case. In part because the profession of policing is one big special case, because they themselves are part of our system of law. Which really all should go without saying - I would hazard a guess that you already know most of what I am telling you :).
Eric_WVGG 6y ago
We do know. They tell us, you're just not listening. https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759 https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard... Here's a cop who tried to report on corruption within the NYPD. His squadmates got him thrown into an insane asylum. The NYPD, by the way, is larger and more heavily funded than most armies. https://www.villagevoice.com/2010/05/04/the-nypd-tapes-inside-bed-stuys-81st-precinct/ https://www.villagevoice.com/2010/05/04/the-nypd-tapes-insid... "desperately need police" We used to "desperately need police" to get injured and wounded people to hospitals. The reason why ambulances do it instead is because the doctors noticed that cops would sometimes beat the shit out of patients en route. https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2020/02/12/all-black-ambulance-service-inspired-todays-ems-system/ https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2020/02/12/all-black-ambulanc... What's wrong with divvy'ing up every responsibility of "the police" and handing those responsibilities off to trained professionals?
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  Your link does nothing to support your claim. It’s a single anonymous anecdote. That is only good for confirming biases, not for analysis of data. I notice you also didn’t post the rebuttal. Again. 800,000. It’s impossible not to have issues come up, and even bad departments that come and go. Obviously, they should be dealt with. And no, the reason you need police is not for hospital rides. Assuming we are talking about developed nations, the NYPD is not larger and more heavily funded that most armies, and that stat wouldn’t have any relevance anyway. Your last claim goes from intellectual dishonesty to outright lying. Nowhere does that article say or even imply anything about cops beating or otherwise mistreating patients.
  - adamsea 6y ago
    “ A leaked 2015 counter-terrorism policy guide made the case more directly, warning agents that FBI “domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers”.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/28/fbi-far-right-white-supremacists-police https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr... Or just google about the LA Sheriffs department - notorious: “ For decades, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department has struggled to combat secretive cliques of deputies who bonded over aggressive, often violent police work and branded themselves with matching tattoos. A federal judge called out the problem nearly 30 years ago, accusing deputies of running a “neo-Nazi, white supremacist gang” named the Vikings within the Lynwood station. Others followed with names such as the Regulators, Grim Reapers, Rattlesnakes and the Jump Out Boys.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-compton-sheriff-shooting-20180710-story.html%3F_amp%3Dtrue https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-...

14 6y ago

True. But I do have one anecdotal story. My brother was beat up in custody by local police but they forgot they were on camera or something so my brother got a hold of the footage through a lawyer and they paid my brother enough money he was able to put it to a down payment of a house. The finding of the investigation; the officer involved was guilty of assaulting him among other things such as not telling the truth as to what happened but since he was about to retire in a month they decided they would not be taking action towards the officer. My brother is a loser who probably mouthed him off and had it coming but this officer is also a loser for losing his cool in a professional setting costing me as a tax payer money. Was he actually punished? No. So the next officer as long as he is close to retirement thinks he can get off free. In a just society you get punished. I would be royally screwed if one week before my retirement I hit an elderly patient who got out of hand. So we don't have equal laws for people and police.

lawnchair_larry 6y ago
Yeah, so it turns out that unwavering support for unions doesn’t always go as planned.
- adamsea 6y ago
  Unions are a tool - a means for labor to organize and exercise power to see to the best interests of its members. Ideally that functions as a way for labor to negotiate with management for humane working conditions, etc, and for worker solidarity. Any tool can be abused. Plus police unions really do seem like a special case. In part because the profession of policing is one big special case, because they themselves are part of our system of law. Which really all should go without saying - I would hazard a guess that you already know most of what I am telling you :).

Eric_WVGG 6y ago

We do know. They tell us, you're just not listening. https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759 https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard... Here's a cop who tried to report on corruption within the NYPD. His squadmates got him thrown into an insane asylum. The NYPD, by the way, is larger and more heavily funded than most armies. https://www.villagevoice.com/2010/05/04/the-nypd-tapes-inside-bed-stuys-81st-precinct/ https://www.villagevoice.com/2010/05/04/the-nypd-tapes-insid... "desperately need police" We used to "desperately need police" to get injured and wounded people to hospitals. The reason why ambulances do it instead is because the doctors noticed that cops would sometimes beat the shit out of patients en route. https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2020/02/12/all-black-ambulance-service-inspired-todays-ems-system/ https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2020/02/12/all-black-ambulanc... What's wrong with divvy'ing up every responsibility of "the police" and handing those responsibilities off to trained professionals?

lawnchair_larry 6y ago
Your link does nothing to support your claim. It’s a single anonymous anecdote. That is only good for confirming biases, not for analysis of data. I notice you also didn’t post the rebuttal. Again. 800,000. It’s impossible not to have issues come up, and even bad departments that come and go. Obviously, they should be dealt with. And no, the reason you need police is not for hospital rides. Assuming we are talking about developed nations, the NYPD is not larger and more heavily funded that most armies, and that stat wouldn’t have any relevance anyway. Your last claim goes from intellectual dishonesty to outright lying. Nowhere does that article say or even imply anything about cops beating or otherwise mistreating patients.
- adamsea 6y ago
  “ A leaked 2015 counter-terrorism policy guide made the case more directly, warning agents that FBI “domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers”.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/28/fbi-far-right-white-supremacists-police https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr... Or just google about the LA Sheriffs department - notorious: “ For decades, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department has struggled to combat secretive cliques of deputies who bonded over aggressive, often violent police work and branded themselves with matching tattoos. A federal judge called out the problem nearly 30 years ago, accusing deputies of running a “neo-Nazi, white supremacist gang” named the Vikings within the Lynwood station. Others followed with names such as the Regulators, Grim Reapers, Rattlesnakes and the Jump Out Boys.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-compton-sheriff-shooting-20180710-story.html%3F_amp%3Dtrue https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-...