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Maybe because plane crashes don't happen as often as "officer involved incidents" unjust and just and are actually a lower hanging fruit in comparison? And the

Maybe because plane crashes don't happen as often as "officer involved incidents" unjust and just and are actually a lower hanging fruit in comparison? And the two aren't investigated by the same body of government NTSB investigates plane crashes in the US (federally created). In some departments there exists Civilian Review Boards [0] IMO better than an internal investigations department and delegating to a federally created agency. But do they work in reality? 0: Civilian Review Boards https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_affairs_(law_enforcement)#:~:text=The%20internal%20affairs%20refers%20to,a%20police%20force%20policing%20itself%22 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_affairs_(law_enforc....

LeonB 6y ago
Do they? (work in reality)? You sound like you want to share information, go ahead. (And I think you misunderstood something I wrote, but I'm not sure what. I didn't mean that the same body of government investigate both crashes and police misconduct... I meant that very often police misconduct is investigated by groups that are adjacent to the police, not impartial. Even if/when it is a separate group, the 'blue wall of silence' is an effect deterrent to investigation and there doesn't seem to be any interest in counter-acting this.)
- throwawaybbbb 6y ago
  > Police officers and other people in that branch of government never display the kind of serious investigative interest that a plane crash investigator applies. They never approach it with fresh eyes, hoping to uncover and fix root causes. The point I was making is that a federally created agency conducts investigations completely different than state police departments. (Not all state police departments are funded the same and share the same information about investigations especially internal) they aren't a single entity nor should they be. The comedian takes two very different things and combines them as one and then tells the audience how absurd his creation is as if it is reality. And to the "blue wall of silence", from the one study I scanned [0]. I think it exists, but not in all departments as the study finds too. And the only way to combat it (just like with civilians in gang ridden communities) is to have more transparency measures (body cams, anonymous reporting systems etc) and obviously more officers/civilians need to come forward with those experiences in their department/jurisdiction. 0: The Measurement of Police Integrity - National Criminal Justice Reference [PDF] https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/181465.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi7zr3gwsnrAhVMKqwKHZiIBIYQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3Li4-pK1zdrgujDlGUuMeQ https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

LeonB 6y ago

Do they? (work in reality)? You sound like you want to share information, go ahead. (And I think you misunderstood something I wrote, but I'm not sure what. I didn't mean that the same body of government investigate both crashes and police misconduct... I meant that very often police misconduct is investigated by groups that are adjacent to the police, not impartial. Even if/when it is a separate group, the 'blue wall of silence' is an effect deterrent to investigation and there doesn't seem to be any interest in counter-acting this.)

throwawaybbbb 6y ago
> Police officers and other people in that branch of government never display the kind of serious investigative interest that a plane crash investigator applies. They never approach it with fresh eyes, hoping to uncover and fix root causes. The point I was making is that a federally created agency conducts investigations completely different than state police departments. (Not all state police departments are funded the same and share the same information about investigations especially internal) they aren't a single entity nor should they be. The comedian takes two very different things and combines them as one and then tells the audience how absurd his creation is as if it is reality. And to the "blue wall of silence", from the one study I scanned [0]. I think it exists, but not in all departments as the study finds too. And the only way to combat it (just like with civilians in gang ridden communities) is to have more transparency measures (body cams, anonymous reporting systems etc) and obviously more officers/civilians need to come forward with those experiences in their department/jurisdiction. 0: The Measurement of Police Integrity - National Criminal Justice Reference [PDF] https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/181465.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi7zr3gwsnrAhVMKqwKHZiIBIYQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3Li4-pK1zdrgujDlGUuMeQ https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...