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Nice Cherry Picking. France, Italy, Hungary, Spain, Belgium, UK, Netherlands, all have worse CFR's than Sweden. Also, all of Europe in aggregate is pretty clo

Nice Cherry Picking. France, Italy, Hungary, Spain, Belgium, UK, Netherlands, all have worse CFR's than Sweden. Also, all of Europe in aggregate is pretty close to Sweden. It's fascinating to see how people are so devoted to demonizing Sweden. Also, CFR is a weird measure to use. 1 infection and 1 death is a 100% CFR even if the rest of the population is fine!!!! ref: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&country=SWE~Europe&cfrMetric=true&interval=smoothed&aligned=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToS...

IvyMike 6y ago
> France, Italy, Hungary, Spain, Belgium, UK, Netherlands, all have worse CFR's than Sweden. I mean if we're gonna talk about cherry-picking, did you notice that more than half of the countries you picked were the earliest hot-spots of the outbreak in Europe? In any case, although the comment you are referring to mentions CFR, the article itself does not use CFR, it uses "Confirmed deaths per million people" as its metric. Still hard to see Sweden as a particularly standout good case in that data.
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  That's almost every country in Europe. Not sure your claim that they're all hot spots stands up. But I can see you're super invested in your narrative and we're not going to have a meeting of the minds on this one. Best luck to you anyway.
  - juliendorra 6y ago
    Sweden political narrative a few months ago was: "we are doing much better than other European countries by doing different." Then they had to shut down secondary schools and universities, ban assemblies over 50 people, extend paid sick-leave without consulting a doctor to 21 days and no first-day penalty, forbid visits in care homes, and other measures, and yet have a worst death per capita ratio than many countries, including their closest neighbors (and France where the lockdown was too late but effective nonetheless at flattening the death per capita ratio). Sweden ratio is close to Italy’s death per capita, which is not considered a success in Europe. The US death per capita ratio is still growing quite fast and will cross Sweden and Italy in a few days, later UK. Hopefully it will not reach Belgium levels… So Sweden is certainly not a good example. Not the worst (Belgium is so sad…) either. They managed, probably did some things right, as they have now a flattened death curve, but they had a few weeks to prepare and ended up with a similar ratio than Italy. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?tab=chart&time=2020-03-05..latest&country=BEL~FRA~DEU~ITA~NOR~SWE~USA~GBR https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-mi...
_Microft 6y ago
> 1 infection and 1 death is a 100% CFR even if the rest of the population is fine! The number of infections per million inhabitants in Sweden is also not better than the numbers from countries from the selection. [0] Maybe just pick a different of the nordic countries as new role model and argue for that in the future? [0] https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&minPopulationFilter=1000000&time=2020-08-07..latest&country=SWE~DEU~FIN~NOR~DNK&casesMetric=true&interval=smoothed&aligned=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToS...
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  Nordic categorization is a cherry picked categorization to fit a demonizing of Sweden narrative. Sweden is on par with the rest of Europe with all manner of their Corona stats.

IvyMike 6y ago

> France, Italy, Hungary, Spain, Belgium, UK, Netherlands, all have worse CFR's than Sweden. I mean if we're gonna talk about cherry-picking, did you notice that more than half of the countries you picked were the earliest hot-spots of the outbreak in Europe? In any case, although the comment you are referring to mentions CFR, the article itself does not use CFR, it uses "Confirmed deaths per million people" as its metric. Still hard to see Sweden as a particularly standout good case in that data.

nickthemagicman 6y ago
That's almost every country in Europe. Not sure your claim that they're all hot spots stands up. But I can see you're super invested in your narrative and we're not going to have a meeting of the minds on this one. Best luck to you anyway.
- juliendorra 6y ago
  Sweden political narrative a few months ago was: "we are doing much better than other European countries by doing different." Then they had to shut down secondary schools and universities, ban assemblies over 50 people, extend paid sick-leave without consulting a doctor to 21 days and no first-day penalty, forbid visits in care homes, and other measures, and yet have a worst death per capita ratio than many countries, including their closest neighbors (and France where the lockdown was too late but effective nonetheless at flattening the death per capita ratio). Sweden ratio is close to Italy’s death per capita, which is not considered a success in Europe. The US death per capita ratio is still growing quite fast and will cross Sweden and Italy in a few days, later UK. Hopefully it will not reach Belgium levels… So Sweden is certainly not a good example. Not the worst (Belgium is so sad…) either. They managed, probably did some things right, as they have now a flattened death curve, but they had a few weeks to prepare and ended up with a similar ratio than Italy. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?tab=chart&time=2020-03-05..latest&country=BEL~FRA~DEU~ITA~NOR~SWE~USA~GBR https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-mi...

_Microft 6y ago

> 1 infection and 1 death is a 100% CFR even if the rest of the population is fine! The number of infections per million inhabitants in Sweden is also not better than the numbers from countries from the selection. [0] Maybe just pick a different of the nordic countries as new role model and argue for that in the future? [0] https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&minPopulationFilter=1000000&time=2020-08-07..latest&country=SWE~DEU~FIN~NOR~DNK&casesMetric=true&interval=smoothed&aligned=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToS...

nickthemagicman 6y ago
Nordic categorization is a cherry picked categorization to fit a demonizing of Sweden narrative. Sweden is on par with the rest of Europe with all manner of their Corona stats.