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> our own societal evolution I'm not sure I'd call it "evolution" so much as a race to the bottom. The drivers in this article are now forced to pay an interme

by Nacdor 6y ago

> our own societal evolution I'm not sure I'd call it "evolution" so much as a race to the bottom. The drivers in this article are now forced to pay an intermediary in order to secure work that was previously available for free. It's basically a form of scalping. This is why labor laws are important and why classifying employees as contractors can be so detrimental.

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scubbo 6y ago
"Evolution" does not always mean "development in a positive direction". This is absolutely a response to environmental pressures. But yes, I agree with your second paragraph.
Shivetya 6y ago
However these are the essence of contacted work. A job is put up and you choose to take it. There is nothing being forced upon anyone. I know people who drive for Uber, no one is forcing them too. They have their stories of taxi drivers who tripled or quadrupled their income by switching. Using California's onerous law that has caused so much trouble in this area, did you know that taxi services are not affected unless the city or county regulation body says so? isn't that interesting? they typically are in rental agreements with cars and medallions. However the government has a vested interest in medallions and these companies donate to local politicians all the time. Their workers are getting the shaft but it does not make news because it does not involve an internet company with billions. The situations I do not like were stories surrounding instacart shoppers being able to cancel tips after delivery, now that is fraud and the company should be liable. I believe uber eats did something similar. T
- mrpopo 6y ago
  > There is nothing being forced upon anyone. There is something. Automation. With automation, Amazon is able to squeeze every inch of performance out of a single worker, which means less workers needed, salaries down, people more hungry for work. It is well past time to regulate profits from automation and redistribute those profits to the population. Taxes.
- acdha 6y ago
  > There is nothing being forced upon anyone. This is leaving out the lack of the normal jobs which would be created if the employer couldn’t avoid it this way. People are desperate enough to take gig economy jobs because there’s been a steady erosion of other options.
  - curryst 6y ago
    I don't think those jobs losses were caused by the gig economy, though. Rather the gig economy arose out of the glut of labor available. It's an important distinction to make. Although Uber et co may be predatory on underutilized workers, I don't think banning them is going to bring back the better jobs that used to exist. The best way to make Uber pay better would be to have compelling other options for these workers; easier said than done though
C1sc0cat 6y ago
Well the part of the article where third parties are exploiting desperate people without the right to work by subcontracting.

by Nacdor 6y ago

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scubbo 6y ago

"Evolution" does not always mean "development in a positive direction". This is absolutely a response to environmental pressures. But yes, I agree with your second paragraph.

Shivetya 6y ago

However these are the essence of contacted work. A job is put up and you choose to take it. There is nothing being forced upon anyone. I know people who drive for Uber, no one is forcing them too. They have their stories of taxi drivers who tripled or quadrupled their income by switching. Using California's onerous law that has caused so much trouble in this area, did you know that taxi services are not affected unless the city or county regulation body says so? isn't that interesting? they typically are in rental agreements with cars and medallions. However the government has a vested interest in medallions and these companies donate to local politicians all the time. Their workers are getting the shaft but it does not make news because it does not involve an internet company with billions. The situations I do not like were stories surrounding instacart shoppers being able to cancel tips after delivery, now that is fraud and the company should be liable. I believe uber eats did something similar. T

mrpopo 6y ago
> There is nothing being forced upon anyone. There is something. Automation. With automation, Amazon is able to squeeze every inch of performance out of a single worker, which means less workers needed, salaries down, people more hungry for work. It is well past time to regulate profits from automation and redistribute those profits to the population. Taxes.
acdha 6y ago
> There is nothing being forced upon anyone. This is leaving out the lack of the normal jobs which would be created if the employer couldn’t avoid it this way. People are desperate enough to take gig economy jobs because there’s been a steady erosion of other options.
- curryst 6y ago
  I don't think those jobs losses were caused by the gig economy, though. Rather the gig economy arose out of the glut of labor available. It's an important distinction to make. Although Uber et co may be predatory on underutilized workers, I don't think banning them is going to bring back the better jobs that used to exist. The best way to make Uber pay better would be to have compelling other options for these workers; easier said than done though

C1sc0cat 6y ago

Well the part of the article where third parties are exploiting desperate people without the right to work by subcontracting.