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Two important notes on Sweden: 1. Its economy relies heavily on export. When the rest of the world do bad, Swedish economy does bad too. 2. It has been argued

Two important notes on Sweden: 1. Its economy relies heavily on export. When the rest of the world do bad, Swedish economy does bad too. 2. It has been argued that Sweden has a very odd definition of covid deaths: if you had it when you died, you died of covid. Two recent studies showed that only 15% of those who "died of covid" actually died because of covid. This might explain their very high death rate at care homes... Edit: haven't read the studies and can't find them right now so don't quote me on that.

shultays 6y ago
How do you die of covid? It makes you weak or shut downs an important system and you die. If you cant breathe because your lungs are not working due to covid, do you die because of suffacation or covid? Should that go to 15% or 85%? I am sure can use this reasoning for quite a chunk of that 85%. When your body does not work as expected you will be more suspectible
- panpanna 6y ago
  What you mention goes into the 15%, the remaining 85% is basically "we also found traces of covid during autopsy" Mind you, this whole argument could off course be nonsense and made up to make the authorities look good. But the statics over all deaths (someone posted a link in this thread) seems to partially confirm this.
teclordphrack2 6y ago
"2. It has been argued that Sweden has a very odd definition of covid deaths: if you had it when you died, you died of covid. Two recent studies showed that only 15% of those who "died of covid" actually died because of covid." You are wrong. You are making the same lie that those in the usa are making when they try to claim that of 180,000 dead only 6% actually died of covid and the rest died with covid. You die of covid when you die with fluid in your lungs of pneumonia. You die of covid when you get in a wreck and they have to take you to the next county over skipping the two hospitals that are overcrowded with covid patients. You die of covid when your heart gives out or you have respiratory failure. One thing causes the others and leads to the death. Quit being ignorant or blatantly lying. A source would help to make me fill like an idiot. Please make me feel like an idiot and have a source.
- ksaj 6y ago
  Indeed this reminds me of how they characterize dying "of old age." That nearly always means heart attack. Sometimes it means some other organ failure, and often it is connected to a cancer. But "old age" it is. Even though it could have been any one of dozens of conditions. It is often hard to tell whether those conditions are what killed them, or whether they aggravated a different condition enough to make that condition kill them. I think a lot of the issue with Covid is deciding whether or not to label the deaths in that same manner. Some countries do. Others don't. And they'll probably never agree which one is right.

shultays 6y ago

How do you die of covid? It makes you weak or shut downs an important system and you die. If you cant breathe because your lungs are not working due to covid, do you die because of suffacation or covid? Should that go to 15% or 85%? I am sure can use this reasoning for quite a chunk of that 85%. When your body does not work as expected you will be more suspectible

panpanna 6y ago
What you mention goes into the 15%, the remaining 85% is basically "we also found traces of covid during autopsy" Mind you, this whole argument could off course be nonsense and made up to make the authorities look good. But the statics over all deaths (someone posted a link in this thread) seems to partially confirm this.

teclordphrack2 6y ago

"2. It has been argued that Sweden has a very odd definition of covid deaths: if you had it when you died, you died of covid. Two recent studies showed that only 15% of those who "died of covid" actually died because of covid." You are wrong. You are making the same lie that those in the usa are making when they try to claim that of 180,000 dead only 6% actually died of covid and the rest died with covid. You die of covid when you die with fluid in your lungs of pneumonia. You die of covid when you get in a wreck and they have to take you to the next county over skipping the two hospitals that are overcrowded with covid patients. You die of covid when your heart gives out or you have respiratory failure. One thing causes the others and leads to the death. Quit being ignorant or blatantly lying. A source would help to make me fill like an idiot. Please make me feel like an idiot and have a source.

ksaj 6y ago
Indeed this reminds me of how they characterize dying "of old age." That nearly always means heart attack. Sometimes it means some other organ failure, and often it is connected to a cancer. But "old age" it is. Even though it could have been any one of dozens of conditions. It is often hard to tell whether those conditions are what killed them, or whether they aggravated a different condition enough to make that condition kill them. I think a lot of the issue with Covid is deciding whether or not to label the deaths in that same manner. Some countries do. Others don't. And they'll probably never agree which one is right.