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Beyond the creepiness of the tasks required, what sticks out to me is the persistent use of Amazon-specific jargon: > Analysts must be capable of engaging and

Beyond the creepiness of the tasks required, what sticks out to me is the persistent use of Amazon-specific jargon: > Analysts must be capable of engaging and informing L7+ ER Principals (attorney stakeholders) Does anyone who doesn’t work at Amazon know what “L7 + ER Principals” means? Perhaps these are universally understood terms in some fields, but my guess is that the “error” was posting this publicly, and it was meant to be an Amazon-internal job posting. Sometimes, for legal reasons, these sorts of jobs are required to be posted publicly, but not in a way that makes the underlying content clear to anyone [0]. So another possibility is that the mistake was posting the job with too many specifics. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21851281 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21851281

sp332 6y ago
A quick search shows that L7 also exists at Facebook and Google at least. It's a senior (staff) software engineer. https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engineer/L7/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engi... Not sure about the ER part though.
- nix23 6y ago
  Better then have a HR...because a Human is NOT a resource, funny that everyone thinks this is normal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource
- nixass 6y ago
  Levels don't scale the same among FAANGs
  - dmoy 6y ago
    In particular L7 at Amazon is roughly equivalent to L6 at Google, E6 at Facebook, 66-67-ish at Microsoft, and 5-ish at apple.
saagarjha 6y ago
I see this a lot in job postings; they often use internal language that you need to somehow learn to translate. This is particularly true with positions, which makes no sense because you then need to figure out what exactly “L7” is relative to the scale you have in your head.
donarb 6y ago
L7 is a Level 7 employee, going from lowest to highest, Bezos is level 12. ER is Employee Relations (HR).
- setgree 6y ago
  I also figured that out by searching, but what does it mean in context? I.e. what is the significance of talking to people at that level vs one above or below, and why, given limited ad space, would you include this detail? You could try to figure this out by trying to map out all of amazon and see how far away from Bezos your “stakeholders” are, but so what? It’s a signal that tells some people much more information than it tells others. It’s either an oversight or a deliberate message that the job is for insiders. Either way, it’s baffling to me, an outsider.
  - femto113 6y ago
    it's not an unusual callout for an Amazon job. Some roles are very technical, you can be heads down working on code or doing data analysis almost all the time and what talking you do is to your teammates. If you need to communicate up in your own org you just tell your direct boss, across orgs you tell a program manager, either of who will be reasonably technical. Other jobs you are expected to present directly to the higher level, non-technical folks. L7 is "upper middle management", so likely have been in the management world for long enough to need some abstraction laid onto the detail.

sp332 6y ago

A quick search shows that L7 also exists at Facebook and Google at least. It's a senior (staff) software engineer. https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engineer/L7/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engi... Not sure about the ER part though.

nix23 6y ago
Better then have a HR...because a Human is NOT a resource, funny that everyone thinks this is normal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource
nixass 6y ago
Levels don't scale the same among FAANGs
- dmoy 6y ago
  In particular L7 at Amazon is roughly equivalent to L6 at Google, E6 at Facebook, 66-67-ish at Microsoft, and 5-ish at apple.

saagarjha 6y ago

I see this a lot in job postings; they often use internal language that you need to somehow learn to translate. This is particularly true with positions, which makes no sense because you then need to figure out what exactly “L7” is relative to the scale you have in your head.

donarb 6y ago

L7 is a Level 7 employee, going from lowest to highest, Bezos is level 12. ER is Employee Relations (HR).

setgree 6y ago
I also figured that out by searching, but what does it mean in context? I.e. what is the significance of talking to people at that level vs one above or below, and why, given limited ad space, would you include this detail? You could try to figure this out by trying to map out all of amazon and see how far away from Bezos your “stakeholders” are, but so what? It’s a signal that tells some people much more information than it tells others. It’s either an oversight or a deliberate message that the job is for insiders. Either way, it’s baffling to me, an outsider.
- femto113 6y ago
  it's not an unusual callout for an Amazon job. Some roles are very technical, you can be heads down working on code or doing data analysis almost all the time and what talking you do is to your teammates. If you need to communicate up in your own org you just tell your direct boss, across orgs you tell a program manager, either of who will be reasonably technical. Other jobs you are expected to present directly to the higher level, non-technical folks. L7 is "upper middle management", so likely have been in the management world for long enough to need some abstraction laid onto the detail.