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For reference, cost in France is about 11kE per year for undergraduate and 22kE per year for master in computer science engineering. That's what it costs the un
by user5994461 6y ago
For reference, cost in France is about 11kE per year for undergraduate and 22kE per year for master in computer science engineering. That's what it costs the university per student, not what the student pays (up to 1k a year). This doesn't cover accommodation or canteen since that's not part of the university.
I don't know what's the cost in the US but I don't imagine it's orders more. The worst number I heard from coworkers was 60k$ a year in NYC (that's easily triple income and taxes compared to France so not a straight comparison).
- pb7 6y agoThat's roughly how much public in-state universities cost in the United States on average[0]. Some states are significantly cheaper. [0] https://www.valuepenguin.com/student-loans/average-cost-of-college https://www.valuepenguin.com/student-loans/average-cost-of-c...
- sudosysgen 6y agoWait. You're comparing total cost in France, to cost at the point of use excluding taxes in the US. Education in public in-state universities is also highly subsidized.
- ericmay 6y agoIs it highly subsidized? Any reason to think that is the case?
- sudosysgen 6y agoIt is indeed highly subsidized, to the tune of billions a year. You can read the Financials online.
- ericmay 6y agoDo you mean subsidized in the sense of student loans backed by the government?
- sudosysgen 6y agoNo. The link I was replying to was referring to State Universities. They are owned and partially financed by the government.
- ericmay 6y agoSure. But what I'm wondering is what subsidies you're referring to. Are you talking about grants and loans that students get, or maybe federal grant money for research?
- sudosysgen 6y agoThese organizations literally directly receive money from the government. Students grants are a factor too, but they are owned and financed in large part by the State. That's called a subsidy. They are losing money, that the taxpayer shoulders.
- ericmay 6y agoOk. So I looked at the FY19 budget for one of the universities I attended and for the overall budget of $7.3 billion it's broken out like this (numbers are rounded). [1] Tuition and fees -> $1.8 bb Government appropriations (it looks like this is what you're referring to as direct subsidies?) -> $ 470 mm Grants and contracts -> $862 mm Sales & Services University -> $543 mm Sales & Services Health System -> $3.3 bb Sales & Services OSU Physicians -> $480 mm Gifts and Endowment -> $380 mm Negligible other items -> $100 mm or something. So what subsidies are you referring to? Happy to look at a different university if you want to provide an example. [1]https://busfin.osu.edu/sites/default/files/12_a_fy21_budget_plan.pdf https://busfin.osu.edu/sites/default/files/12_a_fy21_budget_... -edit- Unfortunately I can't reply, but I'm not sure why you're only considering government appropriations with respect to tuition instead of the entire budget. Seems a bit selective to me.
- gammarator 6y agoThose state subsidies have steadily been eroded over the time period under discussion--part of why tuition has increased. At most large state flagships, public funding is now a significant minority of revenue.
- sudosysgen 6y agoRight. But you still can't compare US price without subsidies to French price with subsidies. They are still a significant minority, about 30-40% of what Tuition brings in. Besides, public funding given a year ago still factors into costs today.