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RIP Dockerhub

throwaway3neu94 6y ago
Or the new competition will force Docker Inc to invest in Dockerhub features again. Including the free tier, if they want to keep their "world's largest library and community for container images" status. But free tiers cost money. With RedHat going after Docker itself with their daemonless version of Docker, podman, and docker-ce's lack of cgroupsv2 support, Docker Enterprise having to compete with K8S, and there being multiple entrenched container registry companies (eg Quay) it must be tough at Docker Inc.
- zapita 6y ago
  > With RedHat going after Docker itself with their daemonless version of Docker, podman Nobody cares about Podman except Red Hat and their most loyal fans. I'd be surprised if podman has managed to steal more than 1% of Docker's install base. > docker-ce's lack of cgroupsv2 support containerd supports cgroupsv2. Docker CE is based on containerd. If the current release doesn't have it, the next release will. > Docker Enterprise having to compete with K8S Docker Enterprise includes a K8S distribution. Does it compete with itself? > multiple entrenched container registry companies (eg Quay) Quay is not a company. It is a CoreOS (now Red Hat) product. > it must be tough at Docker Inc. I believe that's true. Just not for any of the reasons you have given.
  - searchableguy 6y ago
    > Nobody cares about Podman except Red Hat and their most loyal fans. I'd be surprised if podman has managed to steal more than 1% of Docker's install base. This seems dismissive. Podman has many neat features that docker doesn't (pods) or were added later (rootless containers). https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2019/01/29/podman-kubernetes-yaml/ https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2019/01/29/podman-kuberne... https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2019/01/15/podman-managing-containers-pods https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2019/01/15/podman-managin... Obviously, you can use kompose and docker-compose but I would argue podman has better experience.
    - zapita 6y ago
      I'm not dismissing how good it is, just how popular it is. Definitely not popular enough to threaten Docker's adoption, not even close. Docker does have problems, but Podman is not one of them.
whatch 6y ago
Isn't dockerhub much cheaper (for private images)?
geerlingguy 6y ago
Docker Hub still has probably the majority of public images. Quay has a ton of RH and enterprise-specific public images, but I see Hub way more often still. Additionally, being the default host (so shorter image name specifications) for most clients gives it a little bit of a leg up.
chromedev 6y ago
GitLab has had this for years and Docker Hub has remained. Additionally, Docker Hub has done a great job getting projects to use them for their official images: https://hub.docker.com/search?q=&type=image&image_filter=official https://hub.docker.com/search?q=&type=image&image_filter=off... Until GitHub is able to get as many official images sponsored by the open source projects themselves, DockerHub will not be going away.
- nirui 6y ago
  Things has changed a little few days ago. They've sent an email telling their user about their new policies including a "new inactive image retention policy", saying "For free accounts, Docker offers free retention of images inactive for six months" (See link 1). Not too big of a deal, but I'd imagine many users would take that into account when they're making chooses. Link 1: https://www.docker.com/blog/scaling-dockers-business-to-serve-millions-more-developers-storage/ https://www.docker.com/blog/scaling-dockers-business-to-serv...

RIP Dockerhub

Or the new competition will force Docker Inc to invest in Dockerhub features again. Including the free tier, if they want to keep their "world's largest library and community for container images" status. But free tiers cost money. With RedHat going after Docker itself with their daemonless version of Docker, podman, and docker-ce's lack of cgroupsv2 support, Docker Enterprise having to compete with K8S, and there being multiple entrenched container registry companies (eg Quay) it must be tough at Docker Inc.

zapita 6y ago
> With RedHat going after Docker itself with their daemonless version of Docker, podman Nobody cares about Podman except Red Hat and their most loyal fans. I'd be surprised if podman has managed to steal more than 1% of Docker's install base. > docker-ce's lack of cgroupsv2 support containerd supports cgroupsv2. Docker CE is based on containerd. If the current release doesn't have it, the next release will. > Docker Enterprise having to compete with K8S Docker Enterprise includes a K8S distribution. Does it compete with itself? > multiple entrenched container registry companies (eg Quay) Quay is not a company. It is a CoreOS (now Red Hat) product. > it must be tough at Docker Inc. I believe that's true. Just not for any of the reasons you have given.
- searchableguy 6y ago
  > Nobody cares about Podman except Red Hat and their most loyal fans. I'd be surprised if podman has managed to steal more than 1% of Docker's install base. This seems dismissive. Podman has many neat features that docker doesn't (pods) or were added later (rootless containers). https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2019/01/29/podman-kubernetes-yaml/ https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2019/01/29/podman-kuberne... https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2019/01/15/podman-managing-containers-pods https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2019/01/15/podman-managin... Obviously, you can use kompose and docker-compose but I would argue podman has better experience.
  - zapita 6y ago
    I'm not dismissing how good it is, just how popular it is. Definitely not popular enough to threaten Docker's adoption, not even close. Docker does have problems, but Podman is not one of them.

whatch 6y ago

Isn't dockerhub much cheaper (for private images)?

geerlingguy 6y ago

Docker Hub still has probably the majority of public images. Quay has a ton of RH and enterprise-specific public images, but I see Hub way more often still. Additionally, being the default host (so shorter image name specifications) for most clients gives it a little bit of a leg up.

chromedev 6y ago

GitLab has had this for years and Docker Hub has remained. Additionally, Docker Hub has done a great job getting projects to use them for their official images: https://hub.docker.com/search?q=&type=image&image_filter=official https://hub.docker.com/search?q=&type=image&image_filter=off... Until GitHub is able to get as many official images sponsored by the open source projects themselves, DockerHub will not be going away.

nirui 6y ago
Things has changed a little few days ago. They've sent an email telling their user about their new policies including a "new inactive image retention policy", saying "For free accounts, Docker offers free retention of images inactive for six months" (See link 1). Not too big of a deal, but I'd imagine many users would take that into account when they're making chooses. Link 1: https://www.docker.com/blog/scaling-dockers-business-to-serve-millions-more-developers-storage/ https://www.docker.com/blog/scaling-dockers-business-to-serv...