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this is inflammatory/provocative nonsense which serves no purpose except to derail discussion. please delete it.

TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
The content of a post affects the comments it brings. A post describing the technical and design decisions behind gab.com would bring tons of comments about how racist the site is, and would probably be flagged. I consider Black Panther to be racist, and I consider it important to bring that up(since nobody else does).
- colejohnson66 6y ago
  A movie set in Africa is racist for having a majority black cast? That’s just having an accurate cast demographic; It would be racist to have a cast representative of the US population (ie. a majority white cast).
  - TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
    This would be a good point, except for the double standard that is being applied to most movies nowadays. Almost all big movies based sometime in the past are being cast with a cast that is not representative of the racial outlook of the times. New WW2 movies are extremely diverse(edit: er maybe not). This wasn't some small movie trying to be historically accurate. This was a massive big-budget movie that made the conscious decision to hire an almost entirely black cast(edit: and crew) for political reasons. Such racial discrimination needs to be pushed back against in my opinion, especially as the racial makeup of the country continues to change. Just as the cultural changes of the 70's echo through today, the cultural changes that we put in place now will have ramifications for decades. I don't want it to be a culture of racial discrimination.
    - majewsky 6y ago
      In your opinion, what would be a good reason to have a majority black cast in a big-budget movie?
      - TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
        I misspoke and your post made me realize it, thank you. I edited the comment. I somewhat understand a majority black cast. The target demographic may be black, and people like to see people like themselves in movies. On top of that, they may be trying to be accurate to historical or regional details. But to have both cast and crew as almost entirely black? I don't see the utility in that other than to make a political statement.
        gamblor956 6y ago
        One of the main villains, and two of the supporting characters are white. While the director and screenwriter were black, the film's producers and editors were white, and the rest of the crew itself was made up of the usual assortment of Hollywood crew members, without regard to race. (I have several non-black friends who worked on the movie in the camera, prop, makeup, 2nd unit aka "stunt" unit, and VFX departments.) If you're going to be racist, at least have the intelligence to look up the cast and crew and IMDB before you spout your Trumpian nonsense.
        TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
        If this is true, then I learned something and I appreciate you telling me. I'll verify in a couple hours, and will probably change my perspective of the movie because of it. What I don't like is the personal attack. I got my information not from Fox News or something, but from mainstream media news sites going on and on about how progressive it was that their cast and crew was almost completely black(or at least that's how I remember it). I made the post I did because I wanted to push back against racism. Again, thank you for the productive portion of your comment. I will learn from it.
        6y ago
    - Hamsdance 6y ago
      Which WW2 movies are those? I don't know of any that have cast minorities as Nazis or even depict mixed race combat units
      - TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
        I looked and yup you are right. I misremembered. Thanks! My point still stands with affirmative action being common in movies, but I'll try to avoid unintentional hyperbole.
    - gamblor956 6y ago
      Trying to remember the diversity in the most recent Hollywood WW2 movies: THERE WASN'T ANY. 1917 was completely white. Dunkirk had two minority characters, both in extra roles. Jojo Rabbit had no minorities, though Hitler was played by a New Zealander of 1/4th-Maori ancestry. Overlord had 1 black character in a supporting role. Midway's cast was 1/4th Asian, and only because 1/4th of the movie is told from the Japanese viewpoint. Yeah, take your racism back to 4chan or whatever basement board you crawled out from.
      - orloffm 6y ago
        1917 wasn't completely white. There were multiple black soldiers in the trenches here and there, which was obviously done just because someone was uncomfortable with "completely white" cast. There is no other reason to do that. With the same logic there should be a white guy somewhere in the background in Wakanda, but there weren't any. That's what the parent comment wants to say.
        gamblor956 6y ago
        With the same logic there should be a white guy somewhere in the background in Wakanda, but there weren't any. That's what the parent comment wants to say. He was complaining about a strawman that existed only in his head. There were multiple random white guys in the background in the city scenes (Wakanda and elsewhere), and multiple named and speaking white supporting characters in the foreground, including Bucky Barnes, and whatever characters Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis were playing. Re-watching 1917, I realized that there is exactly 1 minority character with a speaking role in the movie: a Sikh soldier during the caravan scene. I rewatched the trench scenes, and there are no black characters. There are white guys covered in ash and dirt that might look black but are clearly white when viewed in 4k, and can be confirmed during the battlefield run scene. (1917 was attempting to be historically accurate; Sikh soldiers made up a larger portion of the British army than did black soldiers.)

The content of a post affects the comments it brings. A post describing the technical and design decisions behind gab.com would bring tons of comments about how racist the site is, and would probably be flagged. I consider Black Panther to be racist, and I consider it important to bring that up(since nobody else does).

colejohnson66 6y ago
A movie set in Africa is racist for having a majority black cast? That’s just having an accurate cast demographic; It would be racist to have a cast representative of the US population (ie. a majority white cast).
- TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
  This would be a good point, except for the double standard that is being applied to most movies nowadays. Almost all big movies based sometime in the past are being cast with a cast that is not representative of the racial outlook of the times. New WW2 movies are extremely diverse(edit: er maybe not). This wasn't some small movie trying to be historically accurate. This was a massive big-budget movie that made the conscious decision to hire an almost entirely black cast(edit: and crew) for political reasons. Such racial discrimination needs to be pushed back against in my opinion, especially as the racial makeup of the country continues to change. Just as the cultural changes of the 70's echo through today, the cultural changes that we put in place now will have ramifications for decades. I don't want it to be a culture of racial discrimination.
  - majewsky 6y ago
    In your opinion, what would be a good reason to have a majority black cast in a big-budget movie?
    - TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
      I misspoke and your post made me realize it, thank you. I edited the comment. I somewhat understand a majority black cast. The target demographic may be black, and people like to see people like themselves in movies. On top of that, they may be trying to be accurate to historical or regional details. But to have both cast and crew as almost entirely black? I don't see the utility in that other than to make a political statement.
      - gamblor956 6y ago
        One of the main villains, and two of the supporting characters are white. While the director and screenwriter were black, the film's producers and editors were white, and the rest of the crew itself was made up of the usual assortment of Hollywood crew members, without regard to race. (I have several non-black friends who worked on the movie in the camera, prop, makeup, 2nd unit aka "stunt" unit, and VFX departments.) If you're going to be racist, at least have the intelligence to look up the cast and crew and IMDB before you spout your Trumpian nonsense.
        TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
        If this is true, then I learned something and I appreciate you telling me. I'll verify in a couple hours, and will probably change my perspective of the movie because of it. What I don't like is the personal attack. I got my information not from Fox News or something, but from mainstream media news sites going on and on about how progressive it was that their cast and crew was almost completely black(or at least that's how I remember it). I made the post I did because I wanted to push back against racism. Again, thank you for the productive portion of your comment. I will learn from it.
        6y ago
  - Hamsdance 6y ago
    Which WW2 movies are those? I don't know of any that have cast minorities as Nazis or even depict mixed race combat units
    - TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
      I looked and yup you are right. I misremembered. Thanks! My point still stands with affirmative action being common in movies, but I'll try to avoid unintentional hyperbole.
  - gamblor956 6y ago
    Trying to remember the diversity in the most recent Hollywood WW2 movies: THERE WASN'T ANY. 1917 was completely white. Dunkirk had two minority characters, both in extra roles. Jojo Rabbit had no minorities, though Hitler was played by a New Zealander of 1/4th-Maori ancestry. Overlord had 1 black character in a supporting role. Midway's cast was 1/4th Asian, and only because 1/4th of the movie is told from the Japanese viewpoint. Yeah, take your racism back to 4chan or whatever basement board you crawled out from.
    - orloffm 6y ago
      1917 wasn't completely white. There were multiple black soldiers in the trenches here and there, which was obviously done just because someone was uncomfortable with "completely white" cast. There is no other reason to do that. With the same logic there should be a white guy somewhere in the background in Wakanda, but there weren't any. That's what the parent comment wants to say.
      - gamblor956 6y ago
        With the same logic there should be a white guy somewhere in the background in Wakanda, but there weren't any. That's what the parent comment wants to say. He was complaining about a strawman that existed only in his head. There were multiple random white guys in the background in the city scenes (Wakanda and elsewhere), and multiple named and speaking white supporting characters in the foreground, including Bucky Barnes, and whatever characters Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis were playing. Re-watching 1917, I realized that there is exactly 1 minority character with a speaking role in the movie: a Sikh soldier during the caravan scene. I rewatched the trench scenes, and there are no black characters. There are white guys covered in ash and dirt that might look black but are clearly white when viewed in 4k, and can be confirmed during the battlefield run scene. (1917 was attempting to be historically accurate; Sikh soldiers made up a larger portion of the British army than did black soldiers.)