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* RTX 3070, 499$, faster than RTX 2080 Ti * RTX 3080, 699$, 2x faster than RTX 2080 * RTX 3090 (Titan), 1500$, 1.5x faster than RTX Titan, 8k resolution @ 60
by fluffything 6y ago
* RTX 3070, 499$, faster than RTX 2080 Ti
* RTX 3080, 699$, 2x faster than RTX 2080
* RTX 3090 (Titan), 1500$, 1.5x faster than RTX Titan, 8k resolution @ 60 FPS with RTX on Control.
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I hope that if somebody bought an RTX 2080 or similar in the last 2-4 weeks, that they bought it over Amazon, and can return it.
- phoe-krk 6y ago> * RTX 3090 (Titan), 1500$, 1.5x faster than Titan, 8k resolution @ 60 FPS with RTX on Control. You likely meant something else; Titan can't be faster than Titan.
- addcninblue 6y agoI believe they're referencing past editions of Titan.
- tedunangst 6y ago3090 holds the product position previously known as titan.
- dplavery92 6y agoI think it holds the market position previously known as xx80Ti
- smileybarry 6y agoThe video[1] mentions that it (3090) was made for users in the Titan product segment, and it's introduced as a Titan replacement. The Ti models will probably come later as usual. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E98hC9e__Xs&t=34m14s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E98hC9e__Xs&t=34m14s
- bonoboTP 6y agoExtremely confusingly the Ti stands/stood for titan as well, while at the same time Nvidia also released cards with the name "Titan", like the Titan X, Titan Xp, Titan V, Titan RTX etc. When people say "the titans" they may refer to either the "something Ti" cards or the "Titan something" cards.
- fluffything 6y agoYeah, naming is confusing, the RTX 3090 is the non-HPC "Titan" model of this gen, and, if I understood correctly, is 1.5x faster than the previous gen RTX Titan, which costed this morning 2500$. There is also a previous gen HPC "Titan V" with HBM memory, but AFAICT no Ampere Titan card with HBM2 was announced.
- sudosysgen 6y agoIt's 50% in ray-tracing performance, not raw performance, and it doesn't have big memory bandwidth improvements. It's not the Titan successor, it's the 2080Ti. You can see this because the chip name is GA102, the 2 at the end indicates that this is a cut-down chip.
- fluffything 6y agoAll previous generation Titan models have been cut down chips as well TU102, GV102, etc. With one exception: the Titan V card that I mentioned which comes with the GV100 chip. But as I mentioned, that one targets a very different market segment with HBM memory, which the "RTX 3090" obviously doesn't target, since otherwise it would come with HBM2 memory like all the GA100 products.
- sudosysgen 6y ago>All previous generation Titan models have been cut down chips as well TU102, GV102, etc. >With one exception: This is simply wrong. The majority of Titans have been full chips: Titan, Titan Z and Titan Black as well as the Titan V and Titan X. The other Titans were about as fast as manufacturer-overclocked 80Ti models.
- fluffything 6y agoIndeed. The naming is super confusing. The 100 versions are essentially HPC chips on a PCI-express board, while 10x are completely different products.
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- JackMcMack 6y agoAs always, wait for the benchmarks before deciding to buy (or return). My guess is the performance improvements are the biggest for raytracing, which I personally don't care for. And let's not forget the huge power draw, requiring a new power connector and a 3 slot cooler. 8N manufacturing process is presumably Samsung, which will probably be beat by TSMC 7nm. I'm holding out for RDNA2.
- adamch 6y agoI think the new connector is only on the 3090.
- smileybarry 6y agoThe product page linked elsewhere in the thread[1] has photos of the 3070 with the 12-pin connector and mentions that all Founder Edition cards include an adapter: > To that end, our engineers designed a much smaller PCB, shrank the NVLink and power connectors, and still managed to pack in 18-phases for improved power delivery. Don’t worry, we included an adapter that allows Founders Edition cards to work with users’ existing power supplies. [1] https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/introducing-rtx-30-series-graphics-cards/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/introducing-rtx-30...
- fluffything 6y ago> As always, wait for the benchmarks before deciding to buy (or return). Why would you keep a 1200$ RTX 2080 Ti or a 2500$ Titan when you can get at least the same perf for 50-75% of the price with the new products, and much better RTX perf ? This assumes that with RTX off the new gen won't be slower than the old one, but I think that's a fair assumption, and if it isn't, you can always return the 30xx card in 2 weeks, and buy an used 2080 Ti or Titan on ebay for pennies, once the market overflows from people upgrading for the 30xx series. People were still asking for 900$ for a used 2080 Ti on ebay this morning, and the 3080 700$ price just destroys that offer. Many owners are going to try and dump these cards for as much as they can get in the next two weeks. I wouldn't buy a used 2080 Ti for more than 250$ today. In one month, these cards are going to sell used for 100-200$. If AMD can only match the 2080 Ti perf, they are going to have a very hard time pricing against the used 2080 Ti market. > And let's not forget the huge power draw, requiring a new power connector and a 3 slot cooler. That's only for the 3090 IIUC. All other cards were announced as being actually much smaller than the 20xx series ones.
- Cacti 6y agoThe RTX at 24GB seems like a great deal for the machine learning crowd. Assuming the heat dissipation is ok.
- fluffything 6y agoThey mentioned its 10K cooler than RTX Titan, and 10x less noise (not sure which scala they use for noise, dB are logarithmic...).
- hajimemash 6y ago10K = 10 Kelvin ≈ 10 Celsius?
- fluffything 6y agoYes, but without the approx: 10K = 10C. SI units FTW.
- m3kw9 6y agoIs not out till October so you gonna not play games or use an inferior card for 2-3 months, as they gonna get sold out till when ever
- cooljacob204 6y ago3080 and 3090 is out this month. Probably will be sold out though.
- pier25 6y agoSuper aggressive pricing. Not sure if they are selling those at a super low margin or they were ripping people off with the previous gens... Anyway, thank you AMD for the competition.
- SketchySeaBeast 6y agoWell, 2 generations ago the MSRP of the 1070 was $379 and the 1080 was $599, so I'd say we've just gotten used to the higher prices which they successfully normalized.
- pier25 6y agoThe 1070 costs more than that even today: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=GTX1070 https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=GTX1070
- SketchySeaBeast 6y agoThat's sorta fair - we're assuming that these cards won't be marked up like crazy either - I imagine the MSRP will be wrong here too. I bought a Gigabyte 1070 for ~$450 USD at launch.
- kenhwang 6y agoAgreed, seems like Nvidia is preemptively trying to fend off AMD with an extreme show of force. This level of performance/pricing is much higher than even AMD's most optimistic estimates for performance/efficiency gains for their next generation.
- berryjerry 6y agoHow is that aggressive pricing? Those are the same prices they have used for previous generations.
- pier25 6y agoSee for yourself: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=GTX1070 https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=GTX1070 https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=RTX2070 https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=RTX2070 People are going to get a massive jump in performance for just $500. I don't think we've ever seen this before.
- m0zg 6y agoI couldn't find pricing for 3090. I seriously doubt it's less than the current version of Titan. It'd also make sense - lots of DL research is currently done on 2080Ti. Take that away and people will buy a more expensive SKU just to get more VRAM. If this pricing holds up though, I need to get a large NVDA position, because they'll sell at TON of 3090. I'll buy 8.
- pornel 6y agoBTW: In the EU you have "14 day cooling off period" that gives you a right to return items bought online.
- The_rationalist 6y agoRTX 3080 is at optimistically 80% faster than 2080, not 100%