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The pricing is insane. $499 for a card that beats the 2080ti?
by Ninjinka 6y ago
The pricing is insane. $499 for a card that beats the 2080ti?
- phaus 6y agoAllegedly beats the 2080 TI, not just the regular one.
- Ninjinka 6y agoI've heard a few people say that, this graphic makes it look about the same though: https://i.imgur.com/fbo1UIU.png https://i.imgur.com/fbo1UIU.png EDIT: I am an idiot. It does say it's faster, though the chart makes it look pretty close.
- trollied 6y agoIt says "Faster than 2080TI" right underneath it...
- redisman 6y agoProbably like faster at RT. I'll almost certainly go for the 3070 - that's crazy value for not much more than I paid for 2060S.
- phaus 6y agoPeople are speculating that the 2x numbers come from RTX and/or DLSS, but they also doubled the number of CUDA cores so its possible its going to be an actual raw performance gain. I think its wise to be skeptical until independant benchmarks are available but I would be surprised if this didn't end up being the biggest performance increase in Nvidia's history for a single generation, just like they say it is.
- paulmd 6y ago> I've heard a few people say that probably because of, oh I don't know, the text right next to the 3070 dot saying "faster than 2080 Ti"... (and I'm really only speculating here) It probably won't be like, night and day faster than a 2080 Ti of course, it's going to be the same bracket judging by the chart, but I'd expect it to usually edge out the 2080 Ti by a couple percent based on the text there.
- mkaic 6y agoAnd to think I was just about to buy a $400 2060 Super. I don't think I'll be doing that anymore.
- aligray 6y agoI bought one at the start of the year, it’s always the way I suppose.
- ses1984 6y agoYou got to use it for most of the year.
- arvinsim 6y ago1 year of use is fair. I have 5700 XT and I think I got good value of it.
- wlesieutre 6y agoI just went and checked my RX 5700 receipt and I paid $212 after tax last November. After selling the included Borderlands 3 license because I'd already bought it, net price under $200. GPU value of the century right there. But as a lighting nerd, I do want the raytracing...
- elipsey 6y ago>> $212 after tax So they have doubled in price since then? wtf? https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601341487%20601341484&Order=1 https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601341487%20601341...
- wlesieutre 6y agoAh, you're right. It was a good sale but not quite that crazy - still under $300 total. Combo deal from Newegg and for some reason they invoiced the two parts separately, so when I searched by "5700" it only found the first one. Went back by order number and found both invoices. Still, less than $300 for this card has been a great bargain. I've since picked up a 1440p screen and it's happily chugging along. Been most of a year and they're still selling for substantially more than this.
- WrtCdEvrydy 6y agoThat's pretty nice actually, can't wait for the 20XX to go on deep discount.
- godelski 6y agoEverything was awesome except the 3090. $1500?!?!?!?! That's a big jump from the 2080Ti pricing of $1200.
- t3rabytes 6y agoSeems like the expectation on Reddit is that the 3090 is more of a Titan replacement rather than a 2080Ti replacement and that a Ti variant will come later with 20gb of mem.
- saberdancer 6y agoFrom what I heard, nvidia wants to simplify naming, having Ti and Super along side the numbers makes it confusing for the consumer (in their opinion), so they want to go away from it. I wouldn't be surprised that the rumor is true and that they will ditch the Ti/Super suffixes.
- godelski 6y agoThat is fair. It is a bigger jump from the Ti. Though most of the rumor sites were suggesting $1400. The 20Gb 2080 variant seems to be a really recent rumor though. What I did find interesting is that it does seem like the $1499 on the slide could have been mistakenly shown. They didn't verbally announce it and other than that one second avoided talking about the price.
- gambiting 6y agoIt's not an expectation from Reddit, this was said explicitly in the presentation - that they used to make the Titan for people who wanted the best of the best, so here's 3090 for that market.
- t3rabytes 6y agoOpe, my fault -- I didn't have a chance to watch it, so I was just going off of what I read on Reddit.
- redisman 6y ago
- SketchySeaBeast 6y agoI don't know about last gen, but that was the same as the generation before it - the 1070 beat the 980ti. It's the cycle they do, and as a gamer why I'll never buy more than the x70 card.
- tmpz22 6y agoI'd wait for in-game benchmarks on high end monitors before I believe that comparison from NVIDIA. Even if the specs are better games are still optimized for older gen cards.
- asutekku 6y agoNo matter what, $499 is still a better deal than $1200 for a somewhat similar card. You really don’t need benchmarks for that.
- swebs 6y agoYes, but we've all been burned by GPU marketing in the past. Notice that they're only remarking on RTX performance. It's entirely possible that this card has a lower geekbench score or FLOPS output.
- lagadu 6y agoThat's on ray tracing workloads, it's likely that the raster performance of the 2080ti will sit between the 3070 and the 3080.
- sjagoe 6y agoI'm still sitting on a GTX 970 and was waiting for the RTX 30 release so I could buy a used RTX 20 at under $500. This pricing means that it's worth it for me to just jump straight to the 30 series.
- highfrequency 6y agoKeep in mind that both the 3070 and the 3080 have less memory than the 2080 Ti
- cma 6y agoBut they also have PCI-e 4 with CPU bypass and onboard decompression for streaming in data from SSD. Probably a better trade-off for gaming and worse for ML training.
- jessermeyer 6y agoSource on cpu bypass and ssd decomp? That reads like ps5 tech.
- cma 6y ago>Leveraging the advanced architecture of our new GeForce RTX 30 Series graphics cards, we’ve created NVIDIA RTX IO, a suite of technologies that enable rapid GPU-based loading and game asset decompression https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/rtx-io-gpu-accelerated-storage-technology/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/rtx-io-gpu-acceler... It can't both bypass the CPU and have decompression unless it is decompression on the GPU. I'm not sure it is dedicated decompression hardware, or if it is using the normal GPU compute.
- wtallis 6y agoRead a bit further into that link: > Specifically, NVIDIA RTX IO brings GPU-based lossless decompression, allowing reads through DirectStorage to remain compressed while being delivered to the GPU for decompression. Still not sure if it'll use fixed-function decompression units on the GPU or if it's just compute shaders, but it's decompressing on the GPU.
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- m3kw9 6y agoMaybe it beats with RTX
- corey_moncure 6y agoAll of the performance claims are extremely hand-wavey. They are using the deep learning and compute features to equivocate about resolutions and framerates. 8K@60 isn't real, but with DLSS activated it is.
- alkonaut 6y agoI'm going to assume that's because it has twice the raytracing power so it's with all the eyecandy turned up (Until I see something that says otherwise).
- beagle3 6y agoIt was the 20xx series that had insane pricing (in a bad way). nVidia had no competition and priced things at the highest markup the market could take, segmenting it by ML, cloud, mining, gaming etc. Not sure what their competition now in each vertical, but apparently they believe that they need a lower price point.
- zucker42 6y agoAlmost seems to good to be true, huh?