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What's the procedural problem with it? It's possibly a little too cute or maybe embellished, but there's nothing in it that sounds impossible or beyond plausib

by CPLX 6y ago

What's the procedural problem with it? It's possibly a little too cute or maybe embellished, but there's nothing in it that sounds impossible or beyond plausibility. For reference I have a pilot's license.

OJFord 6y ago
The upthread-linked Reddit debunk [0] is A) SR71 would've been on a different frequency to both other planes; B) ATC computers at the time were capped at 990 knots; C) SR71s' speeds were classified, no way the crew would've asked or ATC responded with it. Unfortunately. https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/8x5ndw/til_when_the_sr71_was_retired_in_1990_it_went/e21c0jt/?context=3 https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/8x5ndw/til_wh...
- kitteh 6y ago
  Correct, people keep repeating this story - it's false. I know controllers who have actually controlled the U2 and SR71 and they've explained why it's not true (they don't use the same freq, etc.). Also Brian Shul (the originator of this anecdote) and his RSO were the only SR71 crew removed from the program. There is a reason for that.
  - ultrarunner 6y ago
    Would you mind explaining the reason? His Wikipedia page [0] doesn't mention anything, although it does mention the story with four citations. One explicitly states "Though they didn’t really control us, they did monitor our movement across their scope." [1] Off topic, but be sure to run Javascript on theaviationgeekclub.com or else the code that breaks your clipboard will fail to run. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Shul https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Shul [1] https://theaviationgeekclub.com/sr-71-blackbird-pilot-tells-story-behind-famed-ground-speed-check/ https://theaviationgeekclub.com/sr-71-blackbird-pilot-tells-...
    - dkersten 6y ago
      This is what I was able to dig up: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/267042-brian-shul-and-the-sr-71/ http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/267042-...
  - jki275 6y ago
    The SR-71's top speed is still classified to this day, partly because they probably still don't know what it was, because nobody ever got one there. Shul's plane was cruising probably far below max speed (the number wasn't 1942, I don't remember exactly what he said it was). As to "not using the same freq", military aircraft have radios with knobs that turn. They can certainly monitor and talk on civilian frequencies if they see fit to do so, and they fly in and out of civilian airports regularly on ferry flights (not the SR-71 obviously, but I know for a fact F-18s do all the time, because I used to stand duty at a command that owned a bunch of them and we had to file reports on what airport they were at). If they can't talk on civilian frequencies, how would that work? And they fly through civilian ATC owned airspace, they absolutely have to talk to civilian ATC. As to Shul being removed from the program, have never heard that -- I'm not likely to take the word of some random on the internet about it.
    - kitteh 6y ago
      They used UHF to talk to ATC. Related post: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/archive/index.php/t-56350.html https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/archive/index.php/t-56350...
- dkersten 6y ago
  > SR71s' speeds were classified Even after the transatlantic world record "fastest air-breathing manned aircraft" flights in 1976? Especially if they were flying below the record speeds (depends on the exact numbers, going by wikipedia, the record was for approx. 1905 knots, which of course is lower than the figure in the story)? (But, yeah, I've heard plenty of people, including other SR71 pilots in interviews, question the validity of Shul's stories)
  - jki275 6y ago
    The SR-71's "speeds" are not classified. You can even download the long ago declassified manual that says what the max mach number it can display is. The actual top speed might still be, if it is, it's probably because they don't actually know what it really is. There have been multiple pilots who have said they could pretty much keep giving it gas and it would keep going faster.
- CPLX 6y ago
  Well if someone on reddit said it convincingly it’s settled.
  - OJFord 6y ago
    Come on, I didn't claim that. I responded to 'someone on HN claiming to have a pilots licence' who couldn't see a reason it wasn't plausible. I'm just offering three anti-plausability reasons someone else on the internet had.

by CPLX 6y ago

OJFord 6y ago

The upthread-linked Reddit debunk [0] is A) SR71 would've been on a different frequency to both other planes; B) ATC computers at the time were capped at 990 knots; C) SR71s' speeds were classified, no way the crew would've asked or ATC responded with it. Unfortunately. https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/8x5ndw/til_when_the_sr71_was_retired_in_1990_it_went/e21c0jt/?context=3 https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/8x5ndw/til_wh...

kitteh 6y ago
Correct, people keep repeating this story - it's false. I know controllers who have actually controlled the U2 and SR71 and they've explained why it's not true (they don't use the same freq, etc.). Also Brian Shul (the originator of this anecdote) and his RSO were the only SR71 crew removed from the program. There is a reason for that.
- ultrarunner 6y ago
  Would you mind explaining the reason? His Wikipedia page [0] doesn't mention anything, although it does mention the story with four citations. One explicitly states "Though they didn’t really control us, they did monitor our movement across their scope." [1] Off topic, but be sure to run Javascript on theaviationgeekclub.com or else the code that breaks your clipboard will fail to run. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Shul https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Shul [1] https://theaviationgeekclub.com/sr-71-blackbird-pilot-tells-story-behind-famed-ground-speed-check/ https://theaviationgeekclub.com/sr-71-blackbird-pilot-tells-...
  - dkersten 6y ago
    This is what I was able to dig up: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/267042-brian-shul-and-the-sr-71/ http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/267042-...
- jki275 6y ago
  The SR-71's top speed is still classified to this day, partly because they probably still don't know what it was, because nobody ever got one there. Shul's plane was cruising probably far below max speed (the number wasn't 1942, I don't remember exactly what he said it was). As to "not using the same freq", military aircraft have radios with knobs that turn. They can certainly monitor and talk on civilian frequencies if they see fit to do so, and they fly in and out of civilian airports regularly on ferry flights (not the SR-71 obviously, but I know for a fact F-18s do all the time, because I used to stand duty at a command that owned a bunch of them and we had to file reports on what airport they were at). If they can't talk on civilian frequencies, how would that work? And they fly through civilian ATC owned airspace, they absolutely have to talk to civilian ATC. As to Shul being removed from the program, have never heard that -- I'm not likely to take the word of some random on the internet about it.
  - kitteh 6y ago
    They used UHF to talk to ATC. Related post: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/archive/index.php/t-56350.html https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/archive/index.php/t-56350...
dkersten 6y ago
> SR71s' speeds were classified Even after the transatlantic world record "fastest air-breathing manned aircraft" flights in 1976? Especially if they were flying below the record speeds (depends on the exact numbers, going by wikipedia, the record was for approx. 1905 knots, which of course is lower than the figure in the story)? (But, yeah, I've heard plenty of people, including other SR71 pilots in interviews, question the validity of Shul's stories)
- jki275 6y ago
  The SR-71's "speeds" are not classified. You can even download the long ago declassified manual that says what the max mach number it can display is. The actual top speed might still be, if it is, it's probably because they don't actually know what it really is. There have been multiple pilots who have said they could pretty much keep giving it gas and it would keep going faster.
CPLX 6y ago
Well if someone on reddit said it convincingly it’s settled.
- OJFord 6y ago
  Come on, I didn't claim that. I responded to 'someone on HN claiming to have a pilots licence' who couldn't see a reason it wasn't plausible. I'm just offering three anti-plausability reasons someone else on the internet had.