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8k a month, but that is pre-tax, pre-healthcare, etc. Supporting a family and paying for health insurance for them is going to knock that number down real fast.

8k a month, but that is pre-tax, pre-healthcare, etc. Supporting a family and paying for health insurance for them is going to knock that number down real fast. Depending on where this person lives, yes that absolutely could be scraping by. Even more so if they have a family member who needs special care, or they are paying for someone's education.

collyw 6y ago
It not like it is hard work. You could easily do a second job at the same time.
- Pfhreak 6y ago
  It's presumably a huge amount of work. There's the work of setting up the shoot and the performance itself, then the photo editing, managing and interacting with your community constantly, marketing, dealing with the finances/bookwork, researching and buying new equipment and clothing, etc etc etc. Just like successful twitch and YouTube channels, the behind the scenes work is hugely underestimated. You are trivializing the work of someone without any apparent understanding of the actual labor involved.
  - collyw 6y ago
    Most women I know under 30 seem to spend the majority of their time taking selfies and photos of each other, and i don't think they are posting on only fans. Seems trivial enough to me. The fact that most fans seemed to think it wasn't worth the money implies something similar.
- schreiaj 6y ago
  I could easily say that typing at a computer doesn’t look like hard work and you could easily get a second job to a dev. They’d tell you that the part you see doesn’t tell the whole story. Maybe don’t judge a person only by what you can see.
jimbob45 6y ago
That’s 96k per year. Assuming 20k in taxes and 10k in health insurance (both very generous numbers), that’s still 66k per year. Outside of some Californian cities, 66k is more than enough to lead a comfortable life on.
- Pfhreak 6y ago
  Your numbers seem reasonable, but that 66k has to support N people, covering rent, food, childcare or tuition, all the equipment and clothing costs for the business, etc. Is it enough to save for retirement? To deal with a medical emergency or sudden bill? If not, I'd feel comfortable calling that scraping by. There are many places that would be a tight squeeze in the states.
  - srtjstjsj 6y ago
    $66K is median household income in US, so if it's not enough, it's a much broader problem than Camshowing/thirstwatering.
    - Pfhreak 6y ago
      66k doesn't typically include all the costs of operating a business, safety from people with parasocial relationships, etc. which this person has to carry. But yes, I'd also argue that it is a much broader problem in the US.
    - NewOrderNow 6y ago
      Agreed, I have never understood this type of logic that seems to justify their desire for more money. If I can survive in LA alone on $19k, you and your family can do fine with $66k. You just want health insurance...
      - chillwaves 6y ago
        Sounds like a race to the bottom.
  - 6y ago

collyw 6y ago

It not like it is hard work. You could easily do a second job at the same time.

Pfhreak 6y ago
It's presumably a huge amount of work. There's the work of setting up the shoot and the performance itself, then the photo editing, managing and interacting with your community constantly, marketing, dealing with the finances/bookwork, researching and buying new equipment and clothing, etc etc etc. Just like successful twitch and YouTube channels, the behind the scenes work is hugely underestimated. You are trivializing the work of someone without any apparent understanding of the actual labor involved.
- collyw 6y ago
  Most women I know under 30 seem to spend the majority of their time taking selfies and photos of each other, and i don't think they are posting on only fans. Seems trivial enough to me. The fact that most fans seemed to think it wasn't worth the money implies something similar.
schreiaj 6y ago
I could easily say that typing at a computer doesn’t look like hard work and you could easily get a second job to a dev. They’d tell you that the part you see doesn’t tell the whole story. Maybe don’t judge a person only by what you can see.

jimbob45 6y ago

That’s 96k per year. Assuming 20k in taxes and 10k in health insurance (both very generous numbers), that’s still 66k per year. Outside of some Californian cities, 66k is more than enough to lead a comfortable life on.

Pfhreak 6y ago
Your numbers seem reasonable, but that 66k has to support N people, covering rent, food, childcare or tuition, all the equipment and clothing costs for the business, etc. Is it enough to save for retirement? To deal with a medical emergency or sudden bill? If not, I'd feel comfortable calling that scraping by. There are many places that would be a tight squeeze in the states.
- srtjstjsj 6y ago
  $66K is median household income in US, so if it's not enough, it's a much broader problem than Camshowing/thirstwatering.
  - Pfhreak 6y ago
    66k doesn't typically include all the costs of operating a business, safety from people with parasocial relationships, etc. which this person has to carry. But yes, I'd also argue that it is a much broader problem in the US.
  - NewOrderNow 6y ago
    Agreed, I have never understood this type of logic that seems to justify their desire for more money. If I can survive in LA alone on $19k, you and your family can do fine with $66k. You just want health insurance...
    - chillwaves 6y ago
      Sounds like a race to the bottom.
- 6y ago