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Can we add "for Windows" to the title?

okamiueru 6y ago
Indeed. I didn't stop reading when I hit "Trident layout engine". I stopped reading at "Requirements: Windows 7 or later." Though I should have assumed as much given "trident layout engine", but here I was hoping this had been open sourced or something along those lines. I absolutely do not want to speak ill of anyone's project. But let's judge it for what it is... it's a windows only, MSHTML based, proprietary software. At that point, it honestly doesn't matter what it can do, or how it does it. It's already off to the worst possible start for any hope of adoption. And it will likely never see the light of day on either Linux or MacOS. Porting it would tantamount to writing it again from scratch. That said, if it works for windows users. It's not like it is a bad contribution. So kudos for that. On a less polite opinion: I honestly think a core component such as a web rendering engine that is locked to a OS (pretty much exclusively Trident/EdgeHTML) does the world way more harm than good. Any project with some kind of future prospects of not being windows-only, does themselves disservice for picking Edge. Valve did this with steam. I don't know how painless the transition was when moving to WebKit and then to Chromium, but I'm sure it wasn't free.
- boogies 6y ago
  Same. If I care about a browser being > ● Privacy-oriented: zero behavior tracking, zero telemetry > ● Lightning-fast startup time > ● Tiny binary size > ● Low RAM usage why would I use an OS that’s the opposite of all of these? In particular, why would I trust a proprietary application to be “privacy-oriented”?
  - R0b0t1 6y ago
    The prosumer market is huge and mostly Windows. Most dev work is still mostly Windows (I think). HN is an anomaly.
    - boogies 6y ago
      45.8% of respondents used primarily Windows on the 2020 Stack Overflow survey https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-developers-primary-operating-systems https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-de.... I’d guess that’s less than 45% of dev work, including a lot of less experienced or productive devs (~20% of the respondents weren’t professional devs https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#work-employment-status https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#work-employme...). Linux is the most loved platform and wanted “OS”, and Windows is the most dreaded OS except Android by 0.4%. https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted-platforms https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-mo...
    - arghwhat 6y ago
      HN is pretty average. Windows is less than half for devs (but is still the largest OS share). However, as is expected, those chosing to go out of their way to change their machines would naturally be more vocal than those that are indifferent to what it runs.
      - R0b0t1 6y ago
        Well, someone in this comment tree linked stats, but I think those stats and the stats most people that visit this site come up with via observation understate how many boring jobs there are in e.g. fortune 5000 companies doing Windows-centric work.
        arghwhat 6y ago
        There will always be bias in stats, but the numbers are from SO surveys - I don't think SO is going to have "boring" Windows-centric development underrepresented. I'd assume the contrary.
      - fomine3 6y ago
        > HN is pretty average. Maybe on SF.
ausjke 6y ago
Yes please, have not used windows for 15+ years here, I heard it is embracing linux nowadays, a typical microsoft move, the traditional trojan horse approach.

Indeed. I didn't stop reading when I hit "Trident layout engine". I stopped reading at "Requirements: Windows 7 or later." Though I should have assumed as much given "trident layout engine", but here I was hoping this had been open sourced or something along those lines. I absolutely do not want to speak ill of anyone's project. But let's judge it for what it is... it's a windows only, MSHTML based, proprietary software. At that point, it honestly doesn't matter what it can do, or how it does it. It's already off to the worst possible start for any hope of adoption. And it will likely never see the light of day on either Linux or MacOS. Porting it would tantamount to writing it again from scratch. That said, if it works for windows users. It's not like it is a bad contribution. So kudos for that. On a less polite opinion: I honestly think a core component such as a web rendering engine that is locked to a OS (pretty much exclusively Trident/EdgeHTML) does the world way more harm than good. Any project with some kind of future prospects of not being windows-only, does themselves disservice for picking Edge. Valve did this with steam. I don't know how painless the transition was when moving to WebKit and then to Chromium, but I'm sure it wasn't free.

boogies 6y ago
Same. If I care about a browser being > ● Privacy-oriented: zero behavior tracking, zero telemetry > ● Lightning-fast startup time > ● Tiny binary size > ● Low RAM usage why would I use an OS that’s the opposite of all of these? In particular, why would I trust a proprietary application to be “privacy-oriented”?
- R0b0t1 6y ago
  The prosumer market is huge and mostly Windows. Most dev work is still mostly Windows (I think). HN is an anomaly.
  - boogies 6y ago
    45.8% of respondents used primarily Windows on the 2020 Stack Overflow survey https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-developers-primary-operating-systems https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-de.... I’d guess that’s less than 45% of dev work, including a lot of less experienced or productive devs (~20% of the respondents weren’t professional devs https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#work-employment-status https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#work-employme...). Linux is the most loved platform and wanted “OS”, and Windows is the most dreaded OS except Android by 0.4%. https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted-platforms https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-mo...
  - arghwhat 6y ago
    HN is pretty average. Windows is less than half for devs (but is still the largest OS share). However, as is expected, those chosing to go out of their way to change their machines would naturally be more vocal than those that are indifferent to what it runs.
    - R0b0t1 6y ago
      Well, someone in this comment tree linked stats, but I think those stats and the stats most people that visit this site come up with via observation understate how many boring jobs there are in e.g. fortune 5000 companies doing Windows-centric work.
      - arghwhat 6y ago
        There will always be bias in stats, but the numbers are from SO surveys - I don't think SO is going to have "boring" Windows-centric development underrepresented. I'd assume the contrary.
    - fomine3 6y ago
      > HN is pretty average. Maybe on SF.

ausjke 6y ago

Yes please, have not used windows for 15+ years here, I heard it is embracing linux nowadays, a typical microsoft move, the traditional trojan horse approach.