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> I think that free world should ban every company that comply with china censorship "I think the 'free' world should ban software and/or content". Condemn may

> I think that free world should ban every company that comply with china censorship "I think the 'free' world should ban software and/or content". Condemn maybe, but it is scary to see such non-free actions encouraged against digital content.

fvv 6y ago
being free does not mean that one must be completely helpless, freedom must be defended by those who want to suppress it otherwise it dies
- kodablah 6y ago
  > freedom must be defended by those who want to suppress it A Freudian typo to be sure, and sadly too representative of those pushing government software/content restrictions.
  - fvv 6y ago
    a translation typo , you can judge who is the censor in your conscience and who is censoring and if he is censoring the censor or is he more censor than who is censored.
iratewizard 6y ago
What do you think about the banning of Cuban cigars? Genuine question, not being an ass.
- kodablah 6y ago
  Myself? Against that particular type of banning, granted I can understand general economic reasoning even though I disagree. Now, banning one single brand of cigars even if they are following the law? Completely against that type of targeted banning, and I would immediately question the motives. Same goes for Huawei or any company/product. You are allowed if you don't break the law. I don't care the origin, I care about the rule of [contestable] law over unilateral action. I may disagree with many laws, but I respect the process much more.
- jeswin 6y ago
  If Cuba is keeping millions of people in internment camps based on religion, or taking away freedom from once-free states (HK), or making expansionist claims, or outright threatening smaller democracies like Taiwan with war and destruction - then sure, Cuban cigars should be banned.
fvv 6y ago
otherwise you risk condemning in words while the regime begins to control and censor your words as well, while you continue to condemn without doing anything, perhaps with a hint of disdain or is it perhaps too much? there are those who take the south china sea, and then declare the republic of taiwan separationist and threaten to invade it weekly, not afraid to show strength, for the simple "desire for reunification" when they have been more separated than united in the last 200 years, invades hong-kong, tramples rights where it controls and then appeals to rights to trample them where before it had no power, we must be careful not to confuse the right of all with the duty to defend the rights of all and the right to express yourself and act is not the same as the right to silence or block, blocking those who block is freeing those who are blocked is not becoming like them.
- fvv 6y ago
  you have to have the courage to think, to be indifferent/careless you risk depriving the earth under your feet one pebble at a time
- kodablah 6y ago
  To me it doesn't matter what the government origin of the software is, regardless of how involved. I take a hard stance against unilateral banning of otherwise legal software. It's unfortunate that the appeal to emotion is so commonly trotted out to equate fear of government overreach with support for the bad emotion. The list of detestable government actions done under similar pretenses is quite long.

fvv 6y ago

being free does not mean that one must be completely helpless, freedom must be defended by those who want to suppress it otherwise it dies

kodablah 6y ago
> freedom must be defended by those who want to suppress it A Freudian typo to be sure, and sadly too representative of those pushing government software/content restrictions.
- fvv 6y ago
  a translation typo , you can judge who is the censor in your conscience and who is censoring and if he is censoring the censor or is he more censor than who is censored.

iratewizard 6y ago

What do you think about the banning of Cuban cigars? Genuine question, not being an ass.

kodablah 6y ago
Myself? Against that particular type of banning, granted I can understand general economic reasoning even though I disagree. Now, banning one single brand of cigars even if they are following the law? Completely against that type of targeted banning, and I would immediately question the motives. Same goes for Huawei or any company/product. You are allowed if you don't break the law. I don't care the origin, I care about the rule of [contestable] law over unilateral action. I may disagree with many laws, but I respect the process much more.
jeswin 6y ago
If Cuba is keeping millions of people in internment camps based on religion, or taking away freedom from once-free states (HK), or making expansionist claims, or outright threatening smaller democracies like Taiwan with war and destruction - then sure, Cuban cigars should be banned.

fvv 6y ago

otherwise you risk condemning in words while the regime begins to control and censor your words as well, while you continue to condemn without doing anything, perhaps with a hint of disdain or is it perhaps too much? there are those who take the south china sea, and then declare the republic of taiwan separationist and threaten to invade it weekly, not afraid to show strength, for the simple "desire for reunification" when they have been more separated than united in the last 200 years, invades hong-kong, tramples rights where it controls and then appeals to rights to trample them where before it had no power, we must be careful not to confuse the right of all with the duty to defend the rights of all and the right to express yourself and act is not the same as the right to silence or block, blocking those who block is freeing those who are blocked is not becoming like them.

fvv 6y ago
you have to have the courage to think, to be indifferent/careless you risk depriving the earth under your feet one pebble at a time
kodablah 6y ago
To me it doesn't matter what the government origin of the software is, regardless of how involved. I take a hard stance against unilateral banning of otherwise legal software. It's unfortunate that the appeal to emotion is so commonly trotted out to equate fear of government overreach with support for the bad emotion. The list of detestable government actions done under similar pretenses is quite long.