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Eh... in some parts of the US there is still a stigma against being LGBT. Grindr being foreign owned means opening up the possibility of people (who aren't read

Eh... in some parts of the US there is still a stigma against being LGBT. Grindr being foreign owned means opening up the possibility of people (who aren't ready to come out) being blackmailed. And that's clearly a national security threat and different from wanting data profiles on everyone.

bwb 6y ago
In some ways it is kinda funny in a dark way, as our inability to accept people for how they are is a national security threat :).
- YinglingLight 6y ago
  You don't get to the upper eschelon of power without Those even higher up having you blackmailed hook, line, and sinker. Ignore the below: 动态网自由门天安門天安门法輪功李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺
- kube-system 6y ago
  Americans, especially the ones a foreign power would be interested in blackmailing, also travel. In some ~70 countries, homosexuality is a crime.
dahfizz 6y ago
> that's clearly a national security threat and different from wanting data profiles on everyone. What's the threat model here? Certainly ousting LGBT people is scummy, but I'm not sure I understand how it jeopardizes the security of the nation. You could argue that the ability to blackmail government officials compromises national security, but lots of things in that "data profile" could be used for blackmail. I don't see a reason to break this issue out separately.
- dkn775 6y ago
  I would imagine that if someone is hiding some use of the Grindr app from their S/O, they can be blackmailed. It would be particularly evident due to the location and photo-based tenants of the service. That is exactly why they ask the questions they do on the counterintelligence polygraph
  - dahfizz 6y ago
    Right, but certainly the same applies for any app someone might use to cheat (Tinder, Facebook, etc). I don't understand why Grindr is in a class of its own.
    - dkn775 6y ago
      Because it’s use implies Homosexuality, which may or may not be known by the SO. Most SO would forgive cheating with the opposite sex before cheating with the same sex I’d imagine. It’s an extra layer of uncertainty.
- kube-system 6y ago
  >> that's clearly a national security threat and different from wanting data profiles on everyone. > What's the threat model here? Certainly ousting LGBT people is scummy, but I'm not sure I understand how it jeopardizes the security of the nation. Any kind of blackmail can be valuable, but one that is still illegal in many parts of the world is super valuable. * Gay government employee travels on official business to one of the ~70 countries where homosexuality is illegal * Chinese military operative threatens to turn them in to authorities if they don't cooperate
Tarq0n 6y ago
You could infer the sexuality of a large number of people on Reddit / Instagram / Facebook if you had their data, so the same risk is present there.

bwb 6y ago

In some ways it is kinda funny in a dark way, as our inability to accept people for how they are is a national security threat :).

YinglingLight 6y ago
You don't get to the upper eschelon of power without Those even higher up having you blackmailed hook, line, and sinker. Ignore the below: 动态网自由门天安門天安门法輪功李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺
kube-system 6y ago
Americans, especially the ones a foreign power would be interested in blackmailing, also travel. In some ~70 countries, homosexuality is a crime.

dahfizz 6y ago

> that's clearly a national security threat and different from wanting data profiles on everyone. What's the threat model here? Certainly ousting LGBT people is scummy, but I'm not sure I understand how it jeopardizes the security of the nation. You could argue that the ability to blackmail government officials compromises national security, but lots of things in that "data profile" could be used for blackmail. I don't see a reason to break this issue out separately.

dkn775 6y ago
I would imagine that if someone is hiding some use of the Grindr app from their S/O, they can be blackmailed. It would be particularly evident due to the location and photo-based tenants of the service. That is exactly why they ask the questions they do on the counterintelligence polygraph
- dahfizz 6y ago
  Right, but certainly the same applies for any app someone might use to cheat (Tinder, Facebook, etc). I don't understand why Grindr is in a class of its own.
  - dkn775 6y ago
    Because it’s use implies Homosexuality, which may or may not be known by the SO. Most SO would forgive cheating with the opposite sex before cheating with the same sex I’d imagine. It’s an extra layer of uncertainty.
kube-system 6y ago
>> that's clearly a national security threat and different from wanting data profiles on everyone. > What's the threat model here? Certainly ousting LGBT people is scummy, but I'm not sure I understand how it jeopardizes the security of the nation. Any kind of blackmail can be valuable, but one that is still illegal in many parts of the world is super valuable. * Gay government employee travels on official business to one of the ~70 countries where homosexuality is illegal * Chinese military operative threatens to turn them in to authorities if they don't cooperate

Tarq0n 6y ago

You could infer the sexuality of a large number of people on Reddit / Instagram / Facebook if you had their data, so the same risk is present there.