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With GPL there is a legal tool to force contribution, though. No, for practical purposes, there is not. You can only enforce delivery of the source when a prod

by _ph_ 6y ago

With GPL there is a legal tool to force contribution, though. No, for practical purposes, there is not. You can only enforce delivery of the source when a product based on GPL software gets delivered. But of course companies, which create software, know about this. Any usage of GPL software for delivered products only happens after the decision to publish the created software has been made. In doubt, companies tend to not use GPL software as part of deliveries.

pjmlp 6y ago
So now Sony gets to deliver PS4 OS and you get zilch, nada, besides a few insignificant pull requests, enjoy the license.
- bluGill 6y ago
  In practice companies are more likely to upstream non-gpl not less. With GPL they decide to use it without allowing any change, or they don't use it at all. With more liberal licenses they upstream anything that isn't core value because the cost of maintaining a fork is higher the more they are different. GPL advocates try to claim otherwise of course.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    I would be happily using HP-UX, Solaris and Aix to this day, so don't mistake my philosophical questions as a GPL advocate, just don't be surprised how the IT landscape will look like when GCC and Linux are no longer around.
    - ksec 6y ago
      Do you think there will be a possibility someday Linux will be replaced, both on Mobile ( Android ) and on Server? I keep wondering if Microsoft opens up the Windows Kernel ( And Kernel only ), would it change the landscape much.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        On the age of cloud based runtimes and OS agnostic containers, Linux is an implementation detail of the server. On Android Linux is an implementation detail, most of it isn't exposed to userspace, not even on the NDK as Linux APIs aren't part of the stable interface specification. And ART is being ported to run on top of Fuchsia as well (https://android-review.googlesource.com/q/fuchsia https://android-review.googlesource.com/q/fuchsia), so...

by _ph_ 6y ago

pjmlp 6y ago

So now Sony gets to deliver PS4 OS and you get zilch, nada, besides a few insignificant pull requests, enjoy the license.

bluGill 6y ago
In practice companies are more likely to upstream non-gpl not less. With GPL they decide to use it without allowing any change, or they don't use it at all. With more liberal licenses they upstream anything that isn't core value because the cost of maintaining a fork is higher the more they are different. GPL advocates try to claim otherwise of course.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  I would be happily using HP-UX, Solaris and Aix to this day, so don't mistake my philosophical questions as a GPL advocate, just don't be surprised how the IT landscape will look like when GCC and Linux are no longer around.
  - ksec 6y ago
    Do you think there will be a possibility someday Linux will be replaced, both on Mobile ( Android ) and on Server? I keep wondering if Microsoft opens up the Windows Kernel ( And Kernel only ), would it change the landscape much.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      On the age of cloud based runtimes and OS agnostic containers, Linux is an implementation detail of the server. On Android Linux is an implementation detail, most of it isn't exposed to userspace, not even on the NDK as Linux APIs aren't part of the stable interface specification. And ART is being ported to run on top of Fuchsia as well (https://android-review.googlesource.com/q/fuchsia https://android-review.googlesource.com/q/fuchsia), so...