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That sucks very much, I agree but at least they won't send police to your home if you write critically about it. Your post here is evidence for that the CCP is

That sucks very much, I agree but at least they won't send police to your home if you write critically about it. Your post here is evidence for that the CCP is way, way worse since your post would be pretty much dangerous to write in China if it were about their government. If you really believe the US is as bad as China, you're living in a fantasy world my friend.

morelisp 6y ago
> they won't send police to your home if you write critically about it. Well, unless you're Jason Chen writing about the iPhone 4. (I don't think the US is "as bad as China" but I'm also not interested in meeting low bars. I do think it's nearly impossible to find a line China has crossed but the US has not. It's just a question of frequency.)
- swiley 6y ago
  I wasn’t going to get involved in this discussion but now I’m tempted. Has the US done organ harvesting of political prisoners? We’ve done some incredibly messed up stuff from drugging people (including famous composers) to some really really nasty treatment (The details aren’t something I’d like to repeat) of children captured in other countries as part of war but I don’t think we’ve done that.
- ecmascript 6y ago
  I am not really aware about that case, but isn't that Apple rather than the US government? Sure maybe the government sent the actual police officers but surely it must've been apple that pressured them to do it? Regarding being worse I can think of a few: - Mass surveillance with immediate punishment if you break a rule, decided by bots. - Concentration camps - Giving people years of imprisonment for peacefully demonstrating in HK (which was legal afaik) - Sending people out in different countries buying up masks in the covid-19 crisis and then re-selling them at a higher price. - Giving citizen points/score to people and if you have a low enough score you can't ride specific trains / leave the country etc. Just some examples at the top of my head, didn't mention organ harvesting since another person already did that.
jorge-d 6y ago
I don't believe the US is as bad as China, it's just that it's really easy to brand China as the bad guy given how shady they are. China will defend its own interests, just as the US (or any other nation), there is no good guys in geopolitic.

morelisp 6y ago

> they won't send police to your home if you write critically about it. Well, unless you're Jason Chen writing about the iPhone 4. (I don't think the US is "as bad as China" but I'm also not interested in meeting low bars. I do think it's nearly impossible to find a line China has crossed but the US has not. It's just a question of frequency.)

swiley 6y ago
I wasn’t going to get involved in this discussion but now I’m tempted. Has the US done organ harvesting of political prisoners? We’ve done some incredibly messed up stuff from drugging people (including famous composers) to some really really nasty treatment (The details aren’t something I’d like to repeat) of children captured in other countries as part of war but I don’t think we’ve done that.
ecmascript 6y ago
I am not really aware about that case, but isn't that Apple rather than the US government? Sure maybe the government sent the actual police officers but surely it must've been apple that pressured them to do it? Regarding being worse I can think of a few: - Mass surveillance with immediate punishment if you break a rule, decided by bots. - Concentration camps - Giving people years of imprisonment for peacefully demonstrating in HK (which was legal afaik) - Sending people out in different countries buying up masks in the covid-19 crisis and then re-selling them at a higher price. - Giving citizen points/score to people and if you have a low enough score you can't ride specific trains / leave the country etc. Just some examples at the top of my head, didn't mention organ harvesting since another person already did that.

jorge-d 6y ago

I don't believe the US is as bad as China, it's just that it's really easy to brand China as the bad guy given how shady they are. China will defend its own interests, just as the US (or any other nation), there is no good guys in geopolitic.