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Chinese administration ban or ostracize large portion of us software , imo us and eu must do the same 'til minimum information freedom for free people ( no Chin

by fvv 6y ago

Chinese administration ban or ostracize large portion of us software , imo us and eu must do the same 'til minimum information freedom for free people ( no China firewall,information circulation ban ) is allowed there too

disgu 6y ago
So you're in favor of the EU forcing Tesla, Facebook, Microsoft to sell their European business to European companies then because those American companies are clearly not up to European privacy standards? We literally know for a fact that American companies do all the things the Trump administration is accusing TikTok of doing. We've known this since the Snowden revelations. It's also a 100% different scenario because European and American companies actively decide to not operate in China. If they want to they have to comply with the local laws. Just like European companies in the US or US companies in Europe have to. The fact that the big tech companies are not there is the result of a decision by the companies. All companies operating in the US have to follow US law. The fact that the government can just say "You can't operate anymore" without giving any evidence of what they're accusing you of is problematic. Authoritarian regimes are not authoritarian because they don't have laws. They are because they have laws that cover all kinds of bullshit and if you look at the countries that are most authoritarian (Saudi Arabia, China, North Korea), you'll see that they argue "national security" all the time.
- brabel 6y ago
  Exactly! I am in favour of that. The EU protects its citizens but only to the degree it doesn't damage its relationship with the US. They need to grow some balls and stop treating the US as if it were its best mate. Clearly they are not and their laws do not protect foreign nationals in any way, or at least nearly as much as EU regulations would have them do.
  - raziel2p 6y ago
    On the flip side, forcing US companies to comply with EU regulations has benefits for US citizens and helps encourage the US to adopt similar laws.
    - fvv 6y ago
      Us is only replying.. China protectionism has always been way stronger than any other peer.. try appeal China administration about a ban and good luck even reading something about that in their China internet
liuyong 6y ago
They are not comparable. Quote form fortune[1]: Kai-Fu Lee, a leading artificial intelligence expert who heads the tech investment firm Sinovation Ventures, worked for Google in China between 2005 and 2009. (Until 2009, Google operated a separate, censored version of its search engine in China.) He said in a Chinese-language statement on Tuesday that Google's experience in China and TikTok's case in the U.S. are "not comparable." When Google decided it didn't want to comply with China's rules, "it decided to withdraw" from the mainland, Lee said. With TikTok, Lee said, the U.S. government did not provide information on what the app could do to continue operating in the U.S. as a Chinese-owned company, nor did the U.S. provide evidence for its complaints against the app. [1] https://fortune.com/2020/08/06/tiktok-ban-trump-executive-order-microsoft-sale-wechat-tech-china-us-companies-is-tik-tok-getting-banned/ https://fortune.com/2020/08/06/tiktok-ban-trump-executive-or...
- darawk 6y ago
  China bans plenty of US apps and services. Facebook, for instance. They are exactly comparable.
  - francesca 6y ago
    If you comply with China's laws you can operate there. These US companies just don't want to deal with that.
    - fvv 6y ago
      You are meaning China censorship? And China freedom fight ? Yeah why comply with that ? China should leave their abusive dictatorship before talking about their company right
    - learc83 6y ago
      1. China has many industries that outright ban participation by foreign companies. 2. Following Chinese law includes following whatever arbitrary whims the party decides to enforce—including forced IP transfer.
    - 6y ago

by fvv 6y ago

disgu 6y ago

So you're in favor of the EU forcing Tesla, Facebook, Microsoft to sell their European business to European companies then because those American companies are clearly not up to European privacy standards? We literally know for a fact that American companies do all the things the Trump administration is accusing TikTok of doing. We've known this since the Snowden revelations. It's also a 100% different scenario because European and American companies actively decide to not operate in China. If they want to they have to comply with the local laws. Just like European companies in the US or US companies in Europe have to. The fact that the big tech companies are not there is the result of a decision by the companies. All companies operating in the US have to follow US law. The fact that the government can just say "You can't operate anymore" without giving any evidence of what they're accusing you of is problematic. Authoritarian regimes are not authoritarian because they don't have laws. They are because they have laws that cover all kinds of bullshit and if you look at the countries that are most authoritarian (Saudi Arabia, China, North Korea), you'll see that they argue "national security" all the time.

brabel 6y ago
Exactly! I am in favour of that. The EU protects its citizens but only to the degree it doesn't damage its relationship with the US. They need to grow some balls and stop treating the US as if it were its best mate. Clearly they are not and their laws do not protect foreign nationals in any way, or at least nearly as much as EU regulations would have them do.
- raziel2p 6y ago
  On the flip side, forcing US companies to comply with EU regulations has benefits for US citizens and helps encourage the US to adopt similar laws.
  - fvv 6y ago
    Us is only replying.. China protectionism has always been way stronger than any other peer.. try appeal China administration about a ban and good luck even reading something about that in their China internet

liuyong 6y ago

They are not comparable. Quote form fortune[1]: Kai-Fu Lee, a leading artificial intelligence expert who heads the tech investment firm Sinovation Ventures, worked for Google in China between 2005 and 2009. (Until 2009, Google operated a separate, censored version of its search engine in China.) He said in a Chinese-language statement on Tuesday that Google's experience in China and TikTok's case in the U.S. are "not comparable." When Google decided it didn't want to comply with China's rules, "it decided to withdraw" from the mainland, Lee said. With TikTok, Lee said, the U.S. government did not provide information on what the app could do to continue operating in the U.S. as a Chinese-owned company, nor did the U.S. provide evidence for its complaints against the app. [1] https://fortune.com/2020/08/06/tiktok-ban-trump-executive-order-microsoft-sale-wechat-tech-china-us-companies-is-tik-tok-getting-banned/ https://fortune.com/2020/08/06/tiktok-ban-trump-executive-or...

darawk 6y ago
China bans plenty of US apps and services. Facebook, for instance. They are exactly comparable.
- francesca 6y ago
  If you comply with China's laws you can operate there. These US companies just don't want to deal with that.
  - fvv 6y ago
    You are meaning China censorship? And China freedom fight ? Yeah why comply with that ? China should leave their abusive dictatorship before talking about their company right
  - learc83 6y ago
    1. China has many industries that outright ban participation by foreign companies. 2. Following Chinese law includes following whatever arbitrary whims the party decides to enforce—including forced IP transfer.
  - 6y ago