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Shadow banning is for technically illiterate trolls not spammers. I would not advice automatic shadow banning as it might be psychologically destructive for fal
by rightbyte 6y ago
Shadow banning is for technically illiterate trolls not spammers. I would not advice automatic shadow banning as it might be psychologically destructive for false positives in a community. Technically illiterates will never understand that they are shadow banned and keep posting in vain and think they are ignored.
I would advice sending a registration token as a clear picture to the user email (really short one, like four letters). Then the spammer need to do pattern recognition and if he can't program he will not bother.
- fock 6y agowhat's the problem if your posts don't show up to the public at first? Also, with them using Selenium, I doubt that they can't put together some rudimentary pattern generation...
- rightbyte 6y agoI have no problem with requiring manual validation of eg. the first post or what ever it is the shadow banning I don't like. I adds complexity for the users and it is hard to know for user what is happening since it is a "secret" that someones messages doesn't show up. When the moderation process breaks down or there is a bug the user wont know how to appeal etc. It's the Google way of user interaction. Just add a "This message will not be showed to others before your account has been approved" or whatever and it is not a shadow ban anymore. The spam program might be shipped with Selenium. If the spammer can fix a trivial OCR text then OP knows that the spammer is a programmer not a "script kiddie". Imagine a picture with four rows of letters and a rectangle around four letters. The rectangle moves around between registrations. Surely that would require a handwritten OCR to solve if the spam app ships with some boilerplate OCR? And be trivial to solve for humans with bad eyesight.
- miki123211 6y agoWhat if an actual user's blind?
- rightbyte 6y agoMaybe include a url to request manuall approval and make the text white so only screen readers notice it?
- miki123211 6y agoI've seen a site like that, a Captcha + a manual form. I signed up through the manual one a couple years ago. I'm still waiting to hear from them.
- rightbyte 6y agoYe well if the moderation doesn't work properly any manual review wont work including whitelisting users first post. The amount of legally blind users should be low enough that there can be a ad hoc queue of some sort. I guess any spammer can spam down that queue too though? Maybe there could be a simple sound captcha for blind people with links to some audio files with letter in them to listen to in order. If the script kiddie figures out how to match byte streams add white noise to make it an DSP problem.
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