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You’re 2 for 4. Time Machine and Mail (separate from iCloud) are not cloud services.

by nardi 6y ago

dylan604 6y ago
I thought the same thing about Time Machine. It works really well with a local laptop that I plug in from time to time for this to work. However, is it considered Time Machine when an iDevice backs itself up to the cloud? Mail is definitely a local app, even if they did screw the pooch pretty badly with that gmail bug they had a few years ago.
- Someone 6y ago
  “However, is it considered Time Machine when an iDevice backs itself up to the cloud?” No. Strictly speaking, iCloud doesn’t even do backups; it syncs data. Difference is that, with backups, you can get a copy back if you accidentally throw away a file. You typically also have multiple ‘old’ copies. iWork apps (1) kind-of have backups in the form of versions that get synced to the cloud (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205411 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205411), but I think that’s implemented independently from iCloud’s syncing (You can use it to have multiple versions of a document locally, too) (1) Third-party apps can use this, too (https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/macos/system-capabilities/auto-save/ https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline...), but I wouldn’t know how commonly this is used
  - wlesieutre 6y ago
    > No. Strictly speaking, iCloud doesn’t even do backups; it syncs data There’s literally a switch called “iCloud Backup” in Settings though. This isn’t a per-app data sync, it’s the full device restore that you can use if your phone gets stolen, dropped in the ocean, etc. Although you should consider not using it for privacy reasons and running backups to a local machine instead, since last we heard Apple has the encryption keys and will happily hand the entire contents your phone to law enforcement given a warrant.
banachtarski 6y ago
They have components that run in the cloud, and unfortunately, when I wrote "cloud services" I probably should have written "services that leverage the cloud."
- tonyedgecombe 6y ago
  I don't think Time Machine does, everything I've seen is local to the machine or across your local network.
- matthewmacleod 6y ago
  As far as I am aware, neither Time Machine nor Mail have any components that "run in the cloud".

You’re 2 for 4. Time Machine and Mail (separate from iCloud) are not cloud services.

by nardi 6y ago

You’re 2 for 4. Time Machine and Mail (separate from iCloud) are not cloud services.

I thought the same thing about Time Machine. It works really well with a local laptop that I plug in from time to time for this to work. However, is it considered Time Machine when an iDevice backs itself up to the cloud? Mail is definitely a local app, even if they did screw the pooch pretty badly with that gmail bug they had a few years ago.

Someone 6y ago
“However, is it considered Time Machine when an iDevice backs itself up to the cloud?” No. Strictly speaking, iCloud doesn’t even do backups; it syncs data. Difference is that, with backups, you can get a copy back if you accidentally throw away a file. You typically also have multiple ‘old’ copies. iWork apps (1) kind-of have backups in the form of versions that get synced to the cloud (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205411 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205411), but I think that’s implemented independently from iCloud’s syncing (You can use it to have multiple versions of a document locally, too) (1) Third-party apps can use this, too (https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/macos/system-capabilities/auto-save/ https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline...), but I wouldn’t know how commonly this is used
- wlesieutre 6y ago
  > No. Strictly speaking, iCloud doesn’t even do backups; it syncs data There’s literally a switch called “iCloud Backup” in Settings though. This isn’t a per-app data sync, it’s the full device restore that you can use if your phone gets stolen, dropped in the ocean, etc. Although you should consider not using it for privacy reasons and running backups to a local machine instead, since last we heard Apple has the encryption keys and will happily hand the entire contents your phone to law enforcement given a warrant.

banachtarski 6y ago

They have components that run in the cloud, and unfortunately, when I wrote "cloud services" I probably should have written "services that leverage the cloud."

tonyedgecombe 6y ago
I don't think Time Machine does, everything I've seen is local to the machine or across your local network.
matthewmacleod 6y ago
As far as I am aware, neither Time Machine nor Mail have any components that "run in the cloud".