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Google is a monopoly. Facebook is not. If google pushes their weight around they get targeted for anti competitive behavior.

by waheoo 6y ago

not2b 6y ago
They can avoid such issues by simply leaving the Australian market; a non-participant in a market clearly isn't monopolizing it. It just isn't that much money they would be giving up, and if the government tries to force them to operate at a loss it is no money at all.
- waheoo 6y ago
  They're not going to pull out of Australia. The market share of English speaking countries is more important. And the loss of revenue from Australia is higher than the cost of paying up. Why do you think they're behaving in the way they are? If they could drop them they would.
BLKNSLVR 6y ago
Google is a monopoly for what service? I don't use Google (directly) for search. I use Google for some email accounts and other providers for other email accounts. I use Firefox instead of Chrome. I use Android, mainly because it's far more open than ios, and it's possible to use a de-Googled Android (although the useful-ness is reduced). None of the above is related to news, however, which is what this particular discussion is centred around. I don't go anywhere near Google for news. I know Australia's media websites, and I use them directly, and attempt to focus on the more independent ones because they're less likely to be unduly influenced. If you think Google is a monopoly, then how is Facebook not? Either in direct relation to this discussion of News or in relation to the greater internet?
- waheoo 6y ago
  You're not serious? Antitrust is about optics, google is clearly monopolistic. Facebook is likely also but it's not perceived that way, Facebook has a lot of real alternatives, people use more than one social platform, whereas people only use one google, oops sorry, I mean search engine. https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/all/australia https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/all/au...
  - BLKNSLVR 6y ago
    So "Search" is your answer to my question. Fair enough.

Google is a monopoly. Facebook is not. If google pushes their weight around they get targeted for anti competitive behavior.

by waheoo 6y ago

Google is a monopoly. Facebook is not. If google pushes their weight around they get targeted for anti competitive behavior.

not2b 6y ago

They can avoid such issues by simply leaving the Australian market; a non-participant in a market clearly isn't monopolizing it. It just isn't that much money they would be giving up, and if the government tries to force them to operate at a loss it is no money at all.

waheoo 6y ago
They're not going to pull out of Australia. The market share of English speaking countries is more important. And the loss of revenue from Australia is higher than the cost of paying up. Why do you think they're behaving in the way they are? If they could drop them they would.

BLKNSLVR 6y ago

Google is a monopoly for what service? I don't use Google (directly) for search. I use Google for some email accounts and other providers for other email accounts. I use Firefox instead of Chrome. I use Android, mainly because it's far more open than ios, and it's possible to use a de-Googled Android (although the useful-ness is reduced). None of the above is related to news, however, which is what this particular discussion is centred around. I don't go anywhere near Google for news. I know Australia's media websites, and I use them directly, and attempt to focus on the more independent ones because they're less likely to be unduly influenced. If you think Google is a monopoly, then how is Facebook not? Either in direct relation to this discussion of News or in relation to the greater internet?

waheoo 6y ago
You're not serious? Antitrust is about optics, google is clearly monopolistic. Facebook is likely also but it's not perceived that way, Facebook has a lot of real alternatives, people use more than one social platform, whereas people only use one google, oops sorry, I mean search engine. https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/all/australia https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/all/au...
- BLKNSLVR 6y ago
  So "Search" is your answer to my question. Fair enough.