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I don’t like FB as a company. However I have to admit, they are correct that news organizations benefit the most from this relationship. Why doesn’t google do t

I don’t like FB as a company. However I have to admit, they are correct that news organizations benefit the most from this relationship. Why doesn’t google do the same thing? Don’t index news sites. Googles response seemed less effective than FB’s.

waheoo 6y ago
Google is a monopoly. Facebook is not. If google pushes their weight around they get targeted for anti competitive behavior.
- not2b 6y ago
  They can avoid such issues by simply leaving the Australian market; a non-participant in a market clearly isn't monopolizing it. It just isn't that much money they would be giving up, and if the government tries to force them to operate at a loss it is no money at all.
  - waheoo 6y ago
    They're not going to pull out of Australia. The market share of English speaking countries is more important. And the loss of revenue from Australia is higher than the cost of paying up. Why do you think they're behaving in the way they are? If they could drop them they would.
- BLKNSLVR 6y ago
  Google is a monopoly for what service? I don't use Google (directly) for search. I use Google for some email accounts and other providers for other email accounts. I use Firefox instead of Chrome. I use Android, mainly because it's far more open than ios, and it's possible to use a de-Googled Android (although the useful-ness is reduced). None of the above is related to news, however, which is what this particular discussion is centred around. I don't go anywhere near Google for news. I know Australia's media websites, and I use them directly, and attempt to focus on the more independent ones because they're less likely to be unduly influenced. If you think Google is a monopoly, then how is Facebook not? Either in direct relation to this discussion of News or in relation to the greater internet?
  - waheoo 6y ago
    You're not serious? Antitrust is about optics, google is clearly monopolistic. Facebook is likely also but it's not perceived that way, Facebook has a lot of real alternatives, people use more than one social platform, whereas people only use one google, oops sorry, I mean search engine. https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/all/australia https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/all/au...
    - BLKNSLVR 6y ago
      So "Search" is your answer to my question. Fair enough.
paxys 6y ago
Google will likely do the same, as they did in some European countries.
boloust 6y ago
The legislation explicitly prevents platforms from deindexing/downranking news sites that participate in the code in favour of other sites that do not. Which places Google in a more difficult position, because if a user searches for some news, Google is essentially forced to return results from a participating news organisation, or not show any relevant news results at all. While Facebook can just prevent users from sharing any news links, Google can't exactly stop users from searching for news.
- floatingatoll 6y ago
  Google absolutely can stop users from searching for News, by removing all News tabs, News boxes, and News News-specific metadata uses (such as current events timeliness) in search results at Google.com.au. They can then legitimately claim that they are no longer indexing news, only websites in general, and if site operators don’t wish to be indexed they can follow the standard practices for exclusion. Whether they (Google) will do so or not is a timely question to consider.
- johnnyYen 6y ago
  I'd think Google could easily get around this by limiting the frequency with which their GoogleBot visits News Corp web sites to, say, once a month. Effectively makes being indexed worthless for News Corp.

waheoo 6y ago

Google is a monopoly. Facebook is not. If google pushes their weight around they get targeted for anti competitive behavior.

not2b 6y ago
They can avoid such issues by simply leaving the Australian market; a non-participant in a market clearly isn't monopolizing it. It just isn't that much money they would be giving up, and if the government tries to force them to operate at a loss it is no money at all.
- waheoo 6y ago
  They're not going to pull out of Australia. The market share of English speaking countries is more important. And the loss of revenue from Australia is higher than the cost of paying up. Why do you think they're behaving in the way they are? If they could drop them they would.
BLKNSLVR 6y ago
Google is a monopoly for what service? I don't use Google (directly) for search. I use Google for some email accounts and other providers for other email accounts. I use Firefox instead of Chrome. I use Android, mainly because it's far more open than ios, and it's possible to use a de-Googled Android (although the useful-ness is reduced). None of the above is related to news, however, which is what this particular discussion is centred around. I don't go anywhere near Google for news. I know Australia's media websites, and I use them directly, and attempt to focus on the more independent ones because they're less likely to be unduly influenced. If you think Google is a monopoly, then how is Facebook not? Either in direct relation to this discussion of News or in relation to the greater internet?
- waheoo 6y ago
  You're not serious? Antitrust is about optics, google is clearly monopolistic. Facebook is likely also but it's not perceived that way, Facebook has a lot of real alternatives, people use more than one social platform, whereas people only use one google, oops sorry, I mean search engine. https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/all/australia https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/all/au...
  - BLKNSLVR 6y ago
    So "Search" is your answer to my question. Fair enough.

paxys 6y ago

Google will likely do the same, as they did in some European countries.

boloust 6y ago

The legislation explicitly prevents platforms from deindexing/downranking news sites that participate in the code in favour of other sites that do not. Which places Google in a more difficult position, because if a user searches for some news, Google is essentially forced to return results from a participating news organisation, or not show any relevant news results at all. While Facebook can just prevent users from sharing any news links, Google can't exactly stop users from searching for news.

floatingatoll 6y ago
Google absolutely can stop users from searching for News, by removing all News tabs, News boxes, and News News-specific metadata uses (such as current events timeliness) in search results at Google.com.au. They can then legitimately claim that they are no longer indexing news, only websites in general, and if site operators don’t wish to be indexed they can follow the standard practices for exclusion. Whether they (Google) will do so or not is a timely question to consider.
johnnyYen 6y ago
I'd think Google could easily get around this by limiting the frequency with which their GoogleBot visits News Corp web sites to, say, once a month. Effectively makes being indexed worthless for News Corp.