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I stand corrected! I had forgotten that the Surgeon General said that. My theory is that when people think that the guidance has radically shifted throughout t

by cbsks 6y ago

I stand corrected! I had forgotten that the Surgeon General said that. My theory is that when people think that the guidance has radically shifted throughout the COVID-19 epidemic, it's because they are getting their information from non-authoritative sources. But like your example, sometimes the "authoritative sources" are super wrong. Dr Fauci did eventually admit that the guidance on masks was not optimal: > "We have to admit it, that that mixed message in the beginning, even though it was well meant to allow masks to be available for health workers, that was detrimental in getting the message across," Fauci said in an interview with Mary Louise Kelly of NPR's All Things Considered. "No doubt about it." https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/07/01/886299190/it-does-not-have-to-be-100-000-cases-a-day-fauci-urges-u-s-to-follow-guidelines https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/07/01/8862991... What about your points 2 and 3?

renewiltord 6y ago
Points 2 and 3 are HN responses to my comments or adjacent ones. It's going to be a bit hard to find them now, but I'll post them at the bottom. Listen, I really don't want to Gish Gallop you, but there's no way for me to claim people were saying this without showing you people saying this: (and there are way more people saying this on Reddit and Twitter, but time is short, so I can't do any more research for you) 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22777170 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22777170 (claims that training is required or you're going to get rekt, read thread) 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22776396 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22776396 (while doesn't claim a no-threshold model, the threshold is a hundred viral particles) 2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22735235 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22735235 3: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22734656 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22734656 4: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22734923 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22734923 5: https://twitter.com/WHOWPRO/status/1243171683067777024?s=20 https://twitter.com/WHOWPRO/status/1243171683067777024?s=20 (the WHO saying not to wear a mask, by the way) 6: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22530340 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22530340 7: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22610180 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22610180 8: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22595955 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22595955 9: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22559272 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22559272 10: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22528527 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22528527 11: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22529273 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22529273
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- cbsks 6y ago
  Ah, I misread your original post. I thought you were talking about the official recommendations being wrong and then changing. The "general public shouldn't wear masks" is one example where the guidance changed, but I'd argue that overall it's been relatively consistent. If you are just looking for random people on the Internet being wrong, then yes, there are lots of examples of that!
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    Well, it started with the officials because let's just say we're not working with very good raw material here. It's like the tar sands, you know. We have the tar sands, some other guys have shale, and some others have some delicious light crude.
    - cbsks 6y ago
      I agree 100%. The US's response to this entire pandemic was, and still is, a cluster fsck. A lot misinformation could have been prevented with strong and consistent leadership.
misanthropian00 6y ago
>Dr Fauci did eventually admit that the guidance on masks was not optimal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI That is Dr Fauci himself on 60 minutes in early March saying that Americans should not be wearing masks. I guess he changed his mind. People want to say, "Yes he changed his mind due to new evidence." Ok what evidence? I want to see it. And it better be from just before they changed their views and not after they changed their views.

by cbsks 6y ago

renewiltord 6y ago

Points 2 and 3 are HN responses to my comments or adjacent ones. It's going to be a bit hard to find them now, but I'll post them at the bottom. Listen, I really don't want to Gish Gallop you, but there's no way for me to claim people were saying this without showing you people saying this: (and there are way more people saying this on Reddit and Twitter, but time is short, so I can't do any more research for you) 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22777170 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22777170 (claims that training is required or you're going to get rekt, read thread) 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22776396 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22776396 (while doesn't claim a no-threshold model, the threshold is a hundred viral particles) 2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22735235 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22735235 3: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22734656 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22734656 4: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22734923 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22734923 5: https://twitter.com/WHOWPRO/status/1243171683067777024?s=20 https://twitter.com/WHOWPRO/status/1243171683067777024?s=20 (the WHO saying not to wear a mask, by the way) 6: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22530340 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22530340 7: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22610180 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22610180 8: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22595955 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22595955 9: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22559272 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22559272 10: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22528527 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22528527 11: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22529273 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22529273

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cbsks 6y ago
Ah, I misread your original post. I thought you were talking about the official recommendations being wrong and then changing. The "general public shouldn't wear masks" is one example where the guidance changed, but I'd argue that overall it's been relatively consistent. If you are just looking for random people on the Internet being wrong, then yes, there are lots of examples of that!
- renewiltord 6y ago
  Well, it started with the officials because let's just say we're not working with very good raw material here. It's like the tar sands, you know. We have the tar sands, some other guys have shale, and some others have some delicious light crude.
  - cbsks 6y ago
    I agree 100%. The US's response to this entire pandemic was, and still is, a cluster fsck. A lot misinformation could have been prevented with strong and consistent leadership.

misanthropian00 6y ago

>Dr Fauci did eventually admit that the guidance on masks was not optimal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI That is Dr Fauci himself on 60 minutes in early March saying that Americans should not be wearing masks. I guess he changed his mind. People want to say, "Yes he changed his mind due to new evidence." Ok what evidence? I want to see it. And it better be from just before they changed their views and not after they changed their views.