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You could have asked the reviewer for the crash report, looked for access to the OS update, looked for someone with the OS update who could test your app, wait

You could have asked the reviewer for the crash report, looked for access to the OS update, looked for someone with the OS update who could test your app, waited until the OS update was released, or simply submitted your app update again in hopes of getting a more lenient or helpful reviewer. Why didn't you do those things? I've been in similar situations many times and made poor decisions. In my case, I made those poor choices because of poor mental habits and low emotional awareness. About 5 years ago, I started spending effort to increase my EQ and mental habits. I consulted a therapist regularly for several years, read Marshall Rosenberg's Non-violent Communication, learned meditation at a free 10-day silent retreat, and talked with people close to me about my emotions and mental habits. I occasionally ask people close to me for feedback on my attitude and behavior. All of this effort as paid off. Compared to 5 years ago, I have more stable relationships, fewer and shorter arguments, fewer days lost to playing unhappy mind-movies, and more work productivity. I urge you to invest more effort in your EQ skills. EDIT: s/same situation/similar situations/

mleonhard 6y ago
If you think my comment doesn't contribute to the discussion, please tell me why.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  Probably because the app was tested on a prerelease version of macOS and you're digging into the developer for having poor EQ.
  - mleonhard 6y ago
    The developer got frustrated and gave up. I did that a lot. After I worked on improving my EQ, I get frustrated/angry and give up less often. Therefore I think getting frustrated/angry and giving up is a sign of poor EQ. This is based on my personal experience. Important life decisions (like cancelling a project) are better made based on deep personal values, not as reactions to emotions.
    - will4274 6y ago
      > Important life decisions (like cancelling a project) are better made based on deep personal values, not as reactions to emotions. I haven't read Rosenberg's Nonviolent Communication. However, from the Wikipedia page, I find "Rosenberg says that certain ways of communicating tend to alienate people from the experience of compassion: 1) Moralistic judgments implying wrongness or badness on the part of people who don't act in harmony with our values. Blame, insults, put-downs, labels, criticisms, comparisons, and diagnoses are all said to be forms of judgment." This rings true to me - you're alienating people by making a moralistic judgement that the top comment cancelled his project for a bad reason and diagnosing him with poor EQ. People are reacting to that feeling of alienation by down-voting you.
      - mleonhard 6y ago
        You're right. I almost deleted my comment when I realized that. My comment would have been much better without the judgmental tone. Reducing my judgmental mental habit is my lifelong struggle. My EQ skills are definitely not good enough yet. How's this for a non-judgy version? ---- That must have been really frustrating. I struggle with frustration and anger. Sometimes, I make decisions based on those emotions and then miss opportunities, alienate people, and experience negative outcomes. Things work out better for me when I'm more calm and patient. About 5 years ago, I started spending effort to increase my EQ and mental habits. I consulted a therapist regularly for several years, read Marshall Rosenberg's Non-violent Communication, learned meditation at a free 10-day silent retreat, and talked with people close to me about my emotions and mental habits. I occasionally ask people close to me for feedback on my attitude and behavior. All of this effort has paid off. Compared to 5 years ago, I have more stable relationships, fewer and shorter arguments, fewer days lost to playing unhappy mind-movies, and more work productivity. Since you and I seem to struggle with similar things, I think you could also benefit from working on EQ skills. ----
        Jasper_ 6y ago
        You seem to misunderstand the conversation; the OP was not looking for advice about their canceled app. They were relaying their experiences with Apple's bizarre policies. To switch topics from Apple to target the OP specifically is incredibly rude, and shows a significant lack of situational awareness. I am glad that your journey to raise your EQ seemed to make you feel calmer and more patient, but please take some time to understand why using this discussion to proselytize wouldn't go over well.
makecheck 6y ago
Many workarounds undoubtedly exist. The question is, why are any of those things necessary? It took literally 2 minutes to upload the update for immediate release on Steam (previously set up / approved). [...Oh, except it didn’t, because nowadays Apple makes me wait 15 minutes for their unnecessary Notarization upload to complete. 17 minutes is still faster than App Review though.] I want to spend my limited free time on things I enjoy, such as actually making software. And at a certain point, it does not matter if there are 5 different workarounds for Apple-imposed problems; what matters is that Apple-imposed problems drain an unreasonable amount of free time and energy for insufficient benefit.

mleonhard 6y ago

If you think my comment doesn't contribute to the discussion, please tell me why.

saagarjha 6y ago
Probably because the app was tested on a prerelease version of macOS and you're digging into the developer for having poor EQ.
- mleonhard 6y ago
  The developer got frustrated and gave up. I did that a lot. After I worked on improving my EQ, I get frustrated/angry and give up less often. Therefore I think getting frustrated/angry and giving up is a sign of poor EQ. This is based on my personal experience. Important life decisions (like cancelling a project) are better made based on deep personal values, not as reactions to emotions.
  - will4274 6y ago
    > Important life decisions (like cancelling a project) are better made based on deep personal values, not as reactions to emotions. I haven't read Rosenberg's Nonviolent Communication. However, from the Wikipedia page, I find "Rosenberg says that certain ways of communicating tend to alienate people from the experience of compassion: 1) Moralistic judgments implying wrongness or badness on the part of people who don't act in harmony with our values. Blame, insults, put-downs, labels, criticisms, comparisons, and diagnoses are all said to be forms of judgment." This rings true to me - you're alienating people by making a moralistic judgement that the top comment cancelled his project for a bad reason and diagnosing him with poor EQ. People are reacting to that feeling of alienation by down-voting you.
    - mleonhard 6y ago
      You're right. I almost deleted my comment when I realized that. My comment would have been much better without the judgmental tone. Reducing my judgmental mental habit is my lifelong struggle. My EQ skills are definitely not good enough yet. How's this for a non-judgy version? ---- That must have been really frustrating. I struggle with frustration and anger. Sometimes, I make decisions based on those emotions and then miss opportunities, alienate people, and experience negative outcomes. Things work out better for me when I'm more calm and patient. About 5 years ago, I started spending effort to increase my EQ and mental habits. I consulted a therapist regularly for several years, read Marshall Rosenberg's Non-violent Communication, learned meditation at a free 10-day silent retreat, and talked with people close to me about my emotions and mental habits. I occasionally ask people close to me for feedback on my attitude and behavior. All of this effort has paid off. Compared to 5 years ago, I have more stable relationships, fewer and shorter arguments, fewer days lost to playing unhappy mind-movies, and more work productivity. Since you and I seem to struggle with similar things, I think you could also benefit from working on EQ skills. ----
      - Jasper_ 6y ago
        You seem to misunderstand the conversation; the OP was not looking for advice about their canceled app. They were relaying their experiences with Apple's bizarre policies. To switch topics from Apple to target the OP specifically is incredibly rude, and shows a significant lack of situational awareness. I am glad that your journey to raise your EQ seemed to make you feel calmer and more patient, but please take some time to understand why using this discussion to proselytize wouldn't go over well.

makecheck 6y ago

Many workarounds undoubtedly exist. The question is, why are any of those things necessary? It took literally 2 minutes to upload the update for immediate release on Steam (previously set up / approved). [...Oh, except it didn’t, because nowadays Apple makes me wait 15 minutes for their unnecessary Notarization upload to complete. 17 minutes is still faster than App Review though.] I want to spend my limited free time on things I enjoy, such as actually making software. And at a certain point, it does not matter if there are 5 different workarounds for Apple-imposed problems; what matters is that Apple-imposed problems drain an unreasonable amount of free time and energy for insufficient benefit.

You could have asked the reviewer for the crash report, looked for access to the OS update, looked for someone with the OS update who could test your app, wait

You could have asked the reviewer for the crash report, looked for access to the OS update, looked for someone with the OS update who could test your app, wait

You could have asked the reviewer for the crash report, looked for access to the OS update, looked for someone with the OS update who could test your app, wait

You could have asked the reviewer for the crash report, looked for access to the OS update, looked for someone with the OS update who could test your app, wait