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What fascists? All of our elected officials are either left-flavored neoliberals or right-flavored neoliberals. The only exceptions I can think of are one self

What fascists? All of our elected officials are either left-flavored neoliberals or right-flavored neoliberals. The only exceptions I can think of are one self proclaimed socialist (Sanders) and one libertarian (Paul). Certainly no elected communists. Europe has a much greater variety of politicians (right and left) than America. The center/left/right paradigm doesn't make much sense here (as much as compressing all possible political positions into a 1-dimensional spectrum makes sense anyway.)

sudosysgen 6y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_King https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_King As requested, as provided. Anyone who preaches the supremacy of the white race I think can be fairly characterized as fascist. The majority of Republicans are indeed neoliberals, but there are and have been avowed white supremacists and fascists. Various republican-aligned groups in the US actually cooperated with the NSDAP.
- Chlorus 6y ago
  The guy who was repeatedly reprimanded by his own party for it & stripped of his assignments? By this standard, the Democrats are socialists since they won't reprimand AOC. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/steve-king-white-supremacy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/steve-king-wh... > Various republican-aligned groups in the US actually cooperated with the NSDAP. If we're bringing up stuff from the 1930s, you're not going to like what the Democrats were doing from then until 70s.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Steve King isn't the only one, and as far as I know he is still a member of the Republican party. When AOC shows support to a Marxist-Leninist State and party, and when she loudly claims for the seizure of the means of production, you'll have a point. So far, the most extreme thing she's advocating for is Nationalized Healthcare and investment in infrastructure. I don't really think you can equate that with complaining about the white genocide. Her policies and rhetoric are at the very most that of a left-leaning liberal anywhere else in the world. So no, your argument doesn't really hold up. If you're going to claim that the Democrats were collaborating with the Soviets, I'd like to remind you that Mccarthy was a Democrat.
    - AlexTWithBeard 6y ago
      > economic security for all who are ... unwilling to work. goes slightly beyond investment into infrastructure
      - sudosysgen 6y ago
        Economic security for people who are unwilling to work is a basic feature of most advanced economies. See the BS in Québec, the RSI in France, and so on. There was a time in the US when it was a thing too.
        AlexTWithBeard 6y ago
        Regardless of whether it's implemented in certain countries, the idea that society must support those unwilling to work seems to be quite far on left side of the spectrum. The "you don't work - you don't eat" idea is not "rightists". It's just a basic law of nature.
        sudosysgen 6y ago
        "You don't work - you don't eat" isn't a reality anywhere in the world today. It's not a basic law of nature, it's a delusion. The world doesn't actually work like that. Do you think that the Republicans are quite far on the left side of the spectrum? Because last I've heard they haven't repealed food stamps yet.
- a1369209993 6y ago
  While racial supremacism and facism obviously work well together (especially if you can confuse racial identity with national identity), they aren't actually related and King only seems to support the former. He seems like a rather revolting person from what I bothered to read of the Wikipedia page, but I don't see anything to support "the Republican has many fascists", unless you're going by a suffiently broad definition of "facist" as to include most of the US congress, Democrat or Republican, which doesn't seem to be what you're asserting.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Racial supremacy leads to the conclusion that fixing America requires the removal of lesser classes. Steve King vocally advocates for the theory of White Genocide, according to which some group is attempting to import racially inferior people in order to dilute and genetically ruin the white race and this country. The only logical conclusion from these beliefs is ethnic cleansing, there is no other. It is fascist. Moreover, I don't need to speculate; Steve King has voiced support for Viktor Orban, who ran on an ethno-nationalist platform to destroy Hungarian democracy. If you want to know just how hard this goes into the Republican Party, do some research on QAnon. Go to the website from which this theory came from, 8kun.top . Go to the board /pnd/, and /qresearch/ and tell me what you see. This is where the theories that multiple people in the Republican Party openly subscribe to come from. But of course, their support for the theories of White Genocide, the Confederate imagery (the Confederate state that, by the way, did explicitly merge racial identity with national identity) is more than enough to draw conclusions. I don't think this is an unreasonable definition of fascism. The Italian fascists weren't even this racist.
- anm89 6y ago
  The definition of fascist is not person you don't like.

sudosysgen 6y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_King https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_King As requested, as provided. Anyone who preaches the supremacy of the white race I think can be fairly characterized as fascist. The majority of Republicans are indeed neoliberals, but there are and have been avowed white supremacists and fascists. Various republican-aligned groups in the US actually cooperated with the NSDAP.

Chlorus 6y ago
The guy who was repeatedly reprimanded by his own party for it & stripped of his assignments? By this standard, the Democrats are socialists since they won't reprimand AOC. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/steve-king-white-supremacy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/steve-king-wh... > Various republican-aligned groups in the US actually cooperated with the NSDAP. If we're bringing up stuff from the 1930s, you're not going to like what the Democrats were doing from then until 70s.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  Steve King isn't the only one, and as far as I know he is still a member of the Republican party. When AOC shows support to a Marxist-Leninist State and party, and when she loudly claims for the seizure of the means of production, you'll have a point. So far, the most extreme thing she's advocating for is Nationalized Healthcare and investment in infrastructure. I don't really think you can equate that with complaining about the white genocide. Her policies and rhetoric are at the very most that of a left-leaning liberal anywhere else in the world. So no, your argument doesn't really hold up. If you're going to claim that the Democrats were collaborating with the Soviets, I'd like to remind you that Mccarthy was a Democrat.
  - AlexTWithBeard 6y ago
    > economic security for all who are ... unwilling to work. goes slightly beyond investment into infrastructure
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      Economic security for people who are unwilling to work is a basic feature of most advanced economies. See the BS in Québec, the RSI in France, and so on. There was a time in the US when it was a thing too.
      - AlexTWithBeard 6y ago
        Regardless of whether it's implemented in certain countries, the idea that society must support those unwilling to work seems to be quite far on left side of the spectrum. The "you don't work - you don't eat" idea is not "rightists". It's just a basic law of nature.
        sudosysgen 6y ago
        "You don't work - you don't eat" isn't a reality anywhere in the world today. It's not a basic law of nature, it's a delusion. The world doesn't actually work like that. Do you think that the Republicans are quite far on the left side of the spectrum? Because last I've heard they haven't repealed food stamps yet.
a1369209993 6y ago
While racial supremacism and facism obviously work well together (especially if you can confuse racial identity with national identity), they aren't actually related and King only seems to support the former. He seems like a rather revolting person from what I bothered to read of the Wikipedia page, but I don't see anything to support "the Republican has many fascists", unless you're going by a suffiently broad definition of "facist" as to include most of the US congress, Democrat or Republican, which doesn't seem to be what you're asserting.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  Racial supremacy leads to the conclusion that fixing America requires the removal of lesser classes. Steve King vocally advocates for the theory of White Genocide, according to which some group is attempting to import racially inferior people in order to dilute and genetically ruin the white race and this country. The only logical conclusion from these beliefs is ethnic cleansing, there is no other. It is fascist. Moreover, I don't need to speculate; Steve King has voiced support for Viktor Orban, who ran on an ethno-nationalist platform to destroy Hungarian democracy. If you want to know just how hard this goes into the Republican Party, do some research on QAnon. Go to the website from which this theory came from, 8kun.top . Go to the board /pnd/, and /qresearch/ and tell me what you see. This is where the theories that multiple people in the Republican Party openly subscribe to come from. But of course, their support for the theories of White Genocide, the Confederate imagery (the Confederate state that, by the way, did explicitly merge racial identity with national identity) is more than enough to draw conclusions. I don't think this is an unreasonable definition of fascism. The Italian fascists weren't even this racist.
anm89 6y ago
The definition of fascist is not person you don't like.