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If you're talking about American democrats and republicans, it's better to say "the far right" and "the not as far right". AFAIK, US politics does not have a "l

If you're talking about American democrats and republicans, it's better to say "the far right" and "the not as far right". AFAIK, US politics does not have a "left" that has any power.

anm89 6y ago
Very strongly disagree. This again is a thing which both sides would claim equally. The right would make the same claim in terms of the left holding all of the power and how their party has been diluted and forced left. You are just saying you fall left of the equilibrium point of the democratic party.
- 1-more 6y ago
  There is not a major political party in the US that advocates for an employment guarantee, banning private property, or withdrawing all armed forces from around the world. These are positions you would expect from a range of left parties in a parliamentary system. There is however a party that wants to let your employer fire you for any reason whatsoever. It's not even close.
  - Chlorus 6y ago
    "There is not a major political party in the US that advocates for an employment guarantee, banning private property, or withdrawing all armed forces from around the world. These are positions you would expect from a range of left parties in a parliamentary system." That's a pretty loose definition of 'major'. Parliamentary systems sound pretty shitty then - keep in mind the Golden Dawn, UKIP, and any one of the perennial "let's deport all the Roma" parties also counts as a major political party under your definition.
  - AlexTWithBeard 6y ago
    > banning private property, or withdrawing all armed forces from around the world US democratic party is not a flock of angels... but they're certainly not idiots.
    - rtx 6y ago
      Maybe just start by not protecting war criminals.
    - groby_b 6y ago
      This has of course nothing to do with the original question, where they fall on the spectrum of political opinions. The democrats are roughly center-right when you look at it in comparison to major countries across the world. See e.g. https://qz.com/1748903/how-2020-us-democratic-candidates-compare-to-global-politicians/ https://qz.com/1748903/how-2020-us-democratic-candidates-com...
      - AlexTWithBeard 6y ago
        Right, but what kind of conclusion can be made here? Is US too right? Or Europe is too left? Or both are off and the optimal society requires much lefter/righter policies?
        groby_b 6y ago
        I'm not sure you can draw any conclusion here. (Except, seemingly, "I don't like this, don't have any rational argument, and so should downvote" ;) The only one that you can make, based on the data, is that US politics trend much further right than many other places, and that talking about "Democrats" and "the left" in the same breath doesn't make any sense in a global context. They just aren't. And I think that is very relevant when you want to talk about US politics. It defines the available spectrum.
        anm89 6y ago
        Where outside of North Korea, Stalin or Mao had abolished private property or has a full employment guarantee?
  - anm89 6y ago
    > advocates for an employment guarantee, banning private property Why would there be? These are ridiculous goals. North Korea has open doors if you want to defect. I've heard it's pretty nice over there.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  Looking at different ideologies, the Republican has many fascists, the Democrats has no communists and only a tiny minority dare criticize capitalist. That pretty much settles it, the US has no leftist party. The generally accepted definition of a leftist is someone that opposes capitalism. There is no real political force in the US that opposes capitalism, so the US doesn't have a left. It has a center, and a right-to-far-right,
  - crunksht 6y ago
    What fascists? All of our elected officials are either left-flavored neoliberals or right-flavored neoliberals. The only exceptions I can think of are one self proclaimed socialist (Sanders) and one libertarian (Paul). Certainly no elected communists. Europe has a much greater variety of politicians (right and left) than America. The center/left/right paradigm doesn't make much sense here (as much as compressing all possible political positions into a 1-dimensional spectrum makes sense anyway.)
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_King https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_King As requested, as provided. Anyone who preaches the supremacy of the white race I think can be fairly characterized as fascist. The majority of Republicans are indeed neoliberals, but there are and have been avowed white supremacists and fascists. Various republican-aligned groups in the US actually cooperated with the NSDAP.
      - Chlorus 6y ago
        The guy who was repeatedly reprimanded by his own party for it & stripped of his assignments? By this standard, the Democrats are socialists since they won't reprimand AOC. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/steve-king-white-supremacy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/steve-king-wh... > Various republican-aligned groups in the US actually cooperated with the NSDAP. If we're bringing up stuff from the 1930s, you're not going to like what the Democrats were doing from then until 70s.
walrus01 6y ago
The vast majority of US democrats in the house and senate, if they were in Canada, would be members of the Conservative party.
- rtx 6y ago
  Do Conservative Canadian politicians like to bomb other countries where they have no business.

If you're talking about American democrats and republicans, it's better to say "the far right" and "the not as far right". AFAIK, US politics does not have a "left" that has any power.

anm89 6y ago

Very strongly disagree. This again is a thing which both sides would claim equally. The right would make the same claim in terms of the left holding all of the power and how their party has been diluted and forced left. You are just saying you fall left of the equilibrium point of the democratic party.

1-more 6y ago
There is not a major political party in the US that advocates for an employment guarantee, banning private property, or withdrawing all armed forces from around the world. These are positions you would expect from a range of left parties in a parliamentary system. There is however a party that wants to let your employer fire you for any reason whatsoever. It's not even close.
- Chlorus 6y ago
  "There is not a major political party in the US that advocates for an employment guarantee, banning private property, or withdrawing all armed forces from around the world. These are positions you would expect from a range of left parties in a parliamentary system." That's a pretty loose definition of 'major'. Parliamentary systems sound pretty shitty then - keep in mind the Golden Dawn, UKIP, and any one of the perennial "let's deport all the Roma" parties also counts as a major political party under your definition.
- AlexTWithBeard 6y ago
  > banning private property, or withdrawing all armed forces from around the world US democratic party is not a flock of angels... but they're certainly not idiots.
  - rtx 6y ago
    Maybe just start by not protecting war criminals.
  - groby_b 6y ago
    This has of course nothing to do with the original question, where they fall on the spectrum of political opinions. The democrats are roughly center-right when you look at it in comparison to major countries across the world. See e.g. https://qz.com/1748903/how-2020-us-democratic-candidates-compare-to-global-politicians/ https://qz.com/1748903/how-2020-us-democratic-candidates-com...
    - AlexTWithBeard 6y ago
      Right, but what kind of conclusion can be made here? Is US too right? Or Europe is too left? Or both are off and the optimal society requires much lefter/righter policies?
      - groby_b 6y ago
        I'm not sure you can draw any conclusion here. (Except, seemingly, "I don't like this, don't have any rational argument, and so should downvote" ;) The only one that you can make, based on the data, is that US politics trend much further right than many other places, and that talking about "Democrats" and "the left" in the same breath doesn't make any sense in a global context. They just aren't. And I think that is very relevant when you want to talk about US politics. It defines the available spectrum.
      - anm89 6y ago
        Where outside of North Korea, Stalin or Mao had abolished private property or has a full employment guarantee?
- anm89 6y ago
  > advocates for an employment guarantee, banning private property Why would there be? These are ridiculous goals. North Korea has open doors if you want to defect. I've heard it's pretty nice over there.
sudosysgen 6y ago
Looking at different ideologies, the Republican has many fascists, the Democrats has no communists and only a tiny minority dare criticize capitalist. That pretty much settles it, the US has no leftist party. The generally accepted definition of a leftist is someone that opposes capitalism. There is no real political force in the US that opposes capitalism, so the US doesn't have a left. It has a center, and a right-to-far-right,
- crunksht 6y ago
  What fascists? All of our elected officials are either left-flavored neoliberals or right-flavored neoliberals. The only exceptions I can think of are one self proclaimed socialist (Sanders) and one libertarian (Paul). Certainly no elected communists. Europe has a much greater variety of politicians (right and left) than America. The center/left/right paradigm doesn't make much sense here (as much as compressing all possible political positions into a 1-dimensional spectrum makes sense anyway.)
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_King https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_King As requested, as provided. Anyone who preaches the supremacy of the white race I think can be fairly characterized as fascist. The majority of Republicans are indeed neoliberals, but there are and have been avowed white supremacists and fascists. Various republican-aligned groups in the US actually cooperated with the NSDAP.
    - Chlorus 6y ago
      The guy who was repeatedly reprimanded by his own party for it & stripped of his assignments? By this standard, the Democrats are socialists since they won't reprimand AOC. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/steve-king-white-supremacy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/steve-king-wh... > Various republican-aligned groups in the US actually cooperated with the NSDAP. If we're bringing up stuff from the 1930s, you're not going to like what the Democrats were doing from then until 70s.

walrus01 6y ago

The vast majority of US democrats in the house and senate, if they were in Canada, would be members of the Conservative party.

rtx 6y ago
Do Conservative Canadian politicians like to bomb other countries where they have no business.