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I mean, there's plenty of recreational activities where the participant has a pretty good chance of losing their arm or worse. Nobody seems to argue about the l
by dcolkitt 6y ago
I mean, there's plenty of recreational activities where the participant has a pretty good chance of losing their arm or worse. Nobody seems to argue about the legality, let alone the ethics of BASE jumping, wingsuiting, free solo climbing, or technical diving.
And unlike scientific experimentation, these don't even come with any sort of broader social benefit. We let consenting adults mix wildly speculative breathing gasses so they can dive 500 feet underwater. Pretty much for no other reason than it's cool. Why not let scientists do the same if it might cure a pandemic that's killed millions?
- sunopener 6y agoWhy not let scientists be the leaders of our new meritocratic fascist regime? What could go wrong? There's no danger of eugenics, we've out grown that, It's actually imperative that we genetically modify our futures, we need to close the loop, take control of our own nature if we are to live with any certainty in the near future. We need to reduce humanity to the ones and zeros that they are, how else will we select for the future where humanity evolves beyond machine sentience? Think how cool that'd be, if nothing else.
- sudosysgen 6y agoWait, that's a huge leap from allowing scientists to experiment with their own, personal bodies, and a fascist eugenicist technocratic regime.
- sunopener 6y agoIf you wait too long, it won't be cool anymore.
- pvaldes 6y ago> Why not let scientists be the leaders of our new meritocratic fascist regime? Yup, it looks like a clear case of Scientist-itis to me. I had seen that before. Too much superhero histories. Why would want the scientists to take part into such creepy thing? Do you really thing that they are so weird and creepy?
- sunopener 6y agoSec.. Let me just slice up, dissect, and pin this frog's guts neatly and artistically outside it's dead body. Now, you were saying something about weird and creepy? There's nothing creepy and weird about eugenics, fascism, nor meritocracy. Eugenics was widely accepted well before the "not-see" perversion as a way to better humanity. You know what's really creepy? Stories and thier Storytellers. Facts/Truth, never creepy. Stories, always creepy.
- pvaldes 6y ago> Let me just slice up, dissect, and pin this frog's guts neatly and artistically outside it's dead body. Or we could ban the study of amphibian malformations and diseases by ideological reasons, and cry for all the frog species in the planet that will go extinct by ranavirus in the next five years. All because we didn't have galls to dissect a small dead animal and do something about it. Would you prefer that, maybe?
- sunopener 6y agoLet me dissect you, what's your address?
- diffeomorphism 6y agofree solo climbing in the office building? The point is that the university is providing equipment and allows this to take place in their labs.