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> I think Ubuntu adoption of ZFS is a testament that it is here to stay. Like Mir, Unity, Upstart and all the other technologies Ubuntu adopted, but removed af

> I think Ubuntu adoption of ZFS is a testament that it is here to stay. Like Mir, Unity, Upstart and all the other technologies Ubuntu adopted, but removed after a while again? I always have the feeling that the Canonical engineers try to advance the Linux ecosystem by introducing new technologies, but somehow always pick the wrong ones, which end up not being adopted anywhere else. Granted that's different with ZFS, as ZFS already has a large user base, but there is nothing guaranteeing that Ubuntu won't remove ZFS in a few years again.

jlgaddis 6y ago
As you yourself mentioned, ZFS is different. The other projects were (for the most part) anonical originals" that they tried to create -- primarily on their own -- to replace existing products. ZFS is going on 15 years old, quite mature, highly trusted, and, of course, it already has a huge existing userbase. It's certainly not an internal Canonical project that requires them to devote huge teams of developers to it. Unlike the others you mentioned, ZFS will continue to exist and grow regardless of Canonical's involvement.
- jlgaddis 6y ago
  > anonical originals" Oof, "Canonical originals", that should have read (not sure what ate the two missing characters, HN or the iPad).
aftergibson 6y ago
It's in the LTS release, so hopefully it's supported for the next while and given time to mature.
beagle3 6y ago
Unity is still there in 20.04 and usable, though no longer default. It had a long run, and it’s still more usable than gnome3 for power users. Unity wasn’t successful but wasn’t deficient. Upstart wasn’t as good as systemd that cane after it or daemontools that came before, but it WAS an upgrade compared to the knit scripts. Ubuntu/canonical are not afraid to try, which I think deserves more credit. They don’t have the clout/pockets to push less popular things like systemd the way RedHat does, until all the problems are sufficiently minor. Oh, and snap and Mir we’re both attempts at grabbing control and both deserve the scorn.
hnlmorg 6y ago
ZFS isn't maintained by Canonical and has a massive user base outside of Ubuntu. It is not a passing fad and even if Ubuntu did drop official support people could still compile it themselves (like I do).
simion314 6y ago
>Upstart Is still used in some maintained RedHat distros, I assume this burns people like you each time is mentioned.
- curt15 6y ago
  Not to mention ChromeOS. Why was the above comment downvoted?
  - yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
    > Why was the above comment downvoted? Probably because >> I assume this burns people like you each time is mentioned. is rude and borders on a personal attack.

jlgaddis 6y ago

As you yourself mentioned, ZFS is different. The other projects were (for the most part) anonical originals" that they tried to create -- primarily on their own -- to replace existing products. ZFS is going on 15 years old, quite mature, highly trusted, and, of course, it already has a huge existing userbase. It's certainly not an internal Canonical project that requires them to devote huge teams of developers to it. Unlike the others you mentioned, ZFS will continue to exist and grow regardless of Canonical's involvement.

jlgaddis 6y ago
> anonical originals" Oof, "Canonical originals", that should have read (not sure what ate the two missing characters, HN or the iPad).

aftergibson 6y ago

It's in the LTS release, so hopefully it's supported for the next while and given time to mature.

beagle3 6y ago

Unity is still there in 20.04 and usable, though no longer default. It had a long run, and it’s still more usable than gnome3 for power users. Unity wasn’t successful but wasn’t deficient. Upstart wasn’t as good as systemd that cane after it or daemontools that came before, but it WAS an upgrade compared to the knit scripts. Ubuntu/canonical are not afraid to try, which I think deserves more credit. They don’t have the clout/pockets to push less popular things like systemd the way RedHat does, until all the problems are sufficiently minor. Oh, and snap and Mir we’re both attempts at grabbing control and both deserve the scorn.

hnlmorg 6y ago

ZFS isn't maintained by Canonical and has a massive user base outside of Ubuntu. It is not a passing fad and even if Ubuntu did drop official support people could still compile it themselves (like I do).

simion314 6y ago

>Upstart Is still used in some maintained RedHat distros, I assume this burns people like you each time is mentioned.

curt15 6y ago
Not to mention ChromeOS. Why was the above comment downvoted?
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
  > Why was the above comment downvoted? Probably because >> I assume this burns people like you each time is mentioned. is rude and borders on a personal attack.