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NewLisp

100 points by dragonsh 6y ago

phoe-krk 6y ago
Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10279266 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10279266
bitwize 6y ago
Newlisp is to Lisp what the New Monkees are to the Monkees.
- levosmetalo 6y ago
  Newlisp is to Lisp what New York is to York.
  - phpnode 6y ago
    Larger and with more features, but ultimately lacking the simplicity and elegance of the much older version?
    - bjoli 6y ago
      A lot of things can be said about CL, but elegant is not one of them. Battle tested and practical, but also full of warts when you look under the shining armour.
      - konjin 6y ago
        Just do what everyone else does and write your own language on top of it to solve your problem.
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nesarkvechnep 6y ago
Has the fun ever left the Lisp languages?
xiaodai 6y ago
This is the new Coke of programming languages
lbj 6y ago
Small, fast and seems to gave great interop with C libs. This has some real potential for smaller scripts/utils I think. Did anyone make anything interesting with this yet?
- hilti 6y ago
  Years ago we developed a web framework for newLISP called Dragonfly and used it for several projects. http://dragonfly.apptruck.de/ http://dragonfly.apptruck.de/
- 7thaccount 6y ago
  It's been out a long time. I was playing with it in 2012 and I think it'd already been out a long time at that point. I think there is a blog post somewhere about a university student programming candy crush (or some other game) the night before it was due in NewLisp. Racket might also be worth a look again at some point. It's certainly heavier, but has a much larger community. Picolisp is also really awesome and weird like NewLisp, but is really only for Unix. It is also small, but has plenty of features, and has been in development and supported since the late 80's. It is all written in C or Assembly (can't remember which one it is currently written in) and has built-in support for logic programming and all sorts of other things. It uses web browser for GUI, and can interop with Java and C. Michael Fogus (blogger, Closure book author, and all around language nerd) wrote a fascinating article called "fleunpunkt lisps" (forgive spelling) that covers four really bizzare lisps (NewLisp, Pico Lisp, Wasp Lisp, and Arc). The summary is that they're neat and tried to do something revolutionary, but ended up just being odd.
  - isxek 6y ago
    > Michael Fogus (blogger, Closure book author, and all around language nerd) wrote a fascinating article called "fleunpunkt lisps" (forgive spelling) Was it "Fluchtpunkt Lisp" (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45838440-fluchtpunkt-lisp https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45838440-fluchtpunkt-lis...)? I tried searching for it, but this is probably the closest I've seen.
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galfarragem 6y ago
(Somehow) a competitor of NewLisp is Janet (https://janet-lang.org/ https://janet-lang.org/). Syntax inspired in Clojure.
- rcarmo 6y ago
  I quite like Janet. That and Joker (which is a Clojure linter/interpreter).
  - lioeters 6y ago
    The latter was new to me. https://github.com/candid82/joker https://github.com/candid82/joker As a tentative but enthusiastic Lisper interested in Clojure but not Java, I like that Joker is implemented in Go, and its pragmatic approach (such as feature parity with Clojure being a non-goal).
- threatofrain 6y ago
  Janet seems to be a bit more optimistic as the last update is recent but NewLisp hasn't been touched for 2 years.
Heliosmaster 6y ago
There is also https://github.com/borkdude/babashka https://github.com/borkdude/babashka which uses Clojure to create scripts
_emacsomancer_ 6y ago
I'm not convinced about the choice for the behaviour of `cons` in NewLisp.
- 60654 6y ago
  Or the forced pass by value, or the lack of closures, or the namespaces kluge... Or the choice of dynamic scoping - although judging from your username I suspect you might not mind that one as much ;)
  - _emacsomancer_ 6y ago
    > Or the choice of dynamic scoping - although judging from your username I suspect you might not mind that one as much ;) ;; -*- lexical-binding: t; -*-
    - kazinator 6y ago
      I don't understand the motivation for this comment kludge; why can't there be a proper top-level form for this: (lexical-binding t) ;; or whatever Lisps should not be ferreting out code generation semantics from comments; that idea should have died with Turbo Pascal.
rcarmo 6y ago
Another one for my list at https://taoofmac.com/space/dev/LISP https://taoofmac.com/space/dev/LISP (Feel free to suggest others, I’ll be updating this in a couple of hours)
mmargerum 6y ago
Last update 5/19. Is it really new?
dri_ft 6y ago
Somewhat OT, but can anyone remember a language that was posted around here a while (maybe a few months ago?) I seem to recall it was a quite nice, modest-looking little language, I think a lisp (but I'm not even sure about that), but not a scheme or a common lisp, with inline C interop. I meant to have another look at it but I've completely forgotten what it's called.

NewLisp

100 points by dragonsh 6y ago

phoe-krk 6y ago

Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10279266 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10279266

bitwize 6y ago

Newlisp is to Lisp what the New Monkees are to the Monkees.

levosmetalo 6y ago
Newlisp is to Lisp what New York is to York.
- phpnode 6y ago
  Larger and with more features, but ultimately lacking the simplicity and elegance of the much older version?
  - bjoli 6y ago
    A lot of things can be said about CL, but elegant is not one of them. Battle tested and practical, but also full of warts when you look under the shining armour.
    - konjin 6y ago
      Just do what everyone else does and write your own language on top of it to solve your problem.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
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nesarkvechnep 6y ago

Has the fun ever left the Lisp languages?

xiaodai 6y ago

This is the new Coke of programming languages

lbj 6y ago

Small, fast and seems to gave great interop with C libs. This has some real potential for smaller scripts/utils I think. Did anyone make anything interesting with this yet?

hilti 6y ago
Years ago we developed a web framework for newLISP called Dragonfly and used it for several projects. http://dragonfly.apptruck.de/ http://dragonfly.apptruck.de/
7thaccount 6y ago
It's been out a long time. I was playing with it in 2012 and I think it'd already been out a long time at that point. I think there is a blog post somewhere about a university student programming candy crush (or some other game) the night before it was due in NewLisp. Racket might also be worth a look again at some point. It's certainly heavier, but has a much larger community. Picolisp is also really awesome and weird like NewLisp, but is really only for Unix. It is also small, but has plenty of features, and has been in development and supported since the late 80's. It is all written in C or Assembly (can't remember which one it is currently written in) and has built-in support for logic programming and all sorts of other things. It uses web browser for GUI, and can interop with Java and C. Michael Fogus (blogger, Closure book author, and all around language nerd) wrote a fascinating article called "fleunpunkt lisps" (forgive spelling) that covers four really bizzare lisps (NewLisp, Pico Lisp, Wasp Lisp, and Arc). The summary is that they're neat and tried to do something revolutionary, but ended up just being odd.
- isxek 6y ago
  > Michael Fogus (blogger, Closure book author, and all around language nerd) wrote a fascinating article called "fleunpunkt lisps" (forgive spelling) Was it "Fluchtpunkt Lisp" (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45838440-fluchtpunkt-lisp https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45838440-fluchtpunkt-lis...)? I tried searching for it, but this is probably the closest I've seen.
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galfarragem 6y ago

(Somehow) a competitor of NewLisp is Janet (https://janet-lang.org/ https://janet-lang.org/). Syntax inspired in Clojure.

rcarmo 6y ago
I quite like Janet. That and Joker (which is a Clojure linter/interpreter).
- lioeters 6y ago
  The latter was new to me. https://github.com/candid82/joker https://github.com/candid82/joker As a tentative but enthusiastic Lisper interested in Clojure but not Java, I like that Joker is implemented in Go, and its pragmatic approach (such as feature parity with Clojure being a non-goal).
threatofrain 6y ago
Janet seems to be a bit more optimistic as the last update is recent but NewLisp hasn't been touched for 2 years.

Heliosmaster 6y ago

There is also https://github.com/borkdude/babashka https://github.com/borkdude/babashka which uses Clojure to create scripts

_emacsomancer_ 6y ago

I'm not convinced about the choice for the behaviour of `cons` in NewLisp.

60654 6y ago
Or the forced pass by value, or the lack of closures, or the namespaces kluge... Or the choice of dynamic scoping - although judging from your username I suspect you might not mind that one as much ;)
- _emacsomancer_ 6y ago
  > Or the choice of dynamic scoping - although judging from your username I suspect you might not mind that one as much ;) ;; -*- lexical-binding: t; -*-
  - kazinator 6y ago
    I don't understand the motivation for this comment kludge; why can't there be a proper top-level form for this: (lexical-binding t) ;; or whatever Lisps should not be ferreting out code generation semantics from comments; that idea should have died with Turbo Pascal.

rcarmo 6y ago

Another one for my list at https://taoofmac.com/space/dev/LISP https://taoofmac.com/space/dev/LISP (Feel free to suggest others, I’ll be updating this in a couple of hours)

mmargerum 6y ago

Last update 5/19. Is it really new?

dri_ft 6y ago

Somewhat OT, but can anyone remember a language that was posted around here a while (maybe a few months ago?) I seem to recall it was a quite nice, modest-looking little language, I think a lisp (but I'm not even sure about that), but not a scheme or a common lisp, with inline C interop. I meant to have another look at it but I've completely forgotten what it's called.