I would also add that there are unfortunately alot of hackers that don't understand a pretty central business rule. Closed mouths don't get fed. They never as

I would also add that there are unfortunately alot of hackers that don't understand a pretty central business rule. Closed mouths don't get fed. They never ask for or seek market wages. And the business people they seems to fall into the hands of get wide eyed and/or start slick talking (because to them they've found a sucker) and next thing you know they're working crazy hours and taking a low wage because "they're just coding" "some else's" "big idea (TM)" Many say things like "I don't really care about money." or "I can wait a couple of years." And those things can be true but if they were a bit braver and spoke up or found employment with a group who appreciates their talents they would get paid better.