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Relatedly, for sufficiently obscure historical figures for which a Wikipedia entry exists without any depictions in literature, we sometimes have images from th

Relatedly, for sufficiently obscure historical figures for which a Wikipedia entry exists without any depictions in literature, we sometimes have images from the game "Crusader Kings 2" take the spot. r/crusaderkings are full of posts of these incidents, and at the time of this comment this is still the case for Cynewulf of Wessex.

vermilingua 6y ago
Relatedly, I’ve seen many many EU4 maps of countries come up in google results for those countries, which is concerning as they’re often (as is the nature of the game) inaccurate. At least with CK2, there’s really no harm done if someone sees a fictional portrait of a long dead minor ruler. With entire nations, the story is a little different.
dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
There are many cases as these. Facebook is another culprit here, pulling up info from various sources and presenting it as authoritative. I remember looking up the Dalai Lama and seeing at the bottom: "Nationality: Chinese" which made me laugh, but on the other hand things like these make many people upset.
- huffmsa 6y ago
  That is likely intentionally or a regional specific label to appease Chinese interests. Google maps will show you different borders and place names depending on where you are. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/02/14/google-maps-political-borders/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/02/14/google-...
- em500 6y ago
  > I remember looking up the Dalai Lama and seeing at the bottom: "Nationality: Chinese" which made me laugh, but on the other hand things like these make many people upset. Out of curiosity, what do you believe to be the correct nationality?
  - tialaramex 6y ago
    I presume the Dalai Lama considers himself to be Tibetan. Now, perhaps you would consider that we ought to demand people's "nationality" be an actual UN member state which counts them as a citizen and since Tibet isn't a member... That's a bit awkward though because the "One China" policy ensures neither the Republic (in Taiwan) nor the PRC will allow the other to be a UN member at the same time as them. Also I find that I doubt we demand most people have documentary proof. Not taking their word for it is already a bit weird unless you're a border official. Is Samantha Bee really Canadian? I mean, she says she is so I just assumed...
    - brazzy 6y ago
      > the "One China" policy ensures neither the Republic (in Taiwan) nor the PRC will allow the other to be a UN member at the same time as them. Actually, 90+% of the population of the ROC, including their leaders, would be ecstatically happy to be an UN member separately from the PRC. The only reason they officially have a "One China policy" is that the PRC has made it clear that while they can tolerate the status quo of a rival government with zero prospects of actually challenging them controlling a small piece of their territory, they will very much not tolerate that piece of territory to become officially independant and provide an example for at least half a dozen others.
    - mc32 6y ago
      It could also be like asking what was Mozart’s nationality? Austrian or Holy Roman?
      - ginko 6y ago
        He was a Salzburger, which was an independent princedom back then.
        mc32 6y ago
        Is that what he is celebrated as these days? Which country takes pride in this composer these days?

vermilingua 6y ago

Relatedly, I’ve seen many many EU4 maps of countries come up in google results for those countries, which is concerning as they’re often (as is the nature of the game) inaccurate. At least with CK2, there’s really no harm done if someone sees a fictional portrait of a long dead minor ruler. With entire nations, the story is a little different.

dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago

There are many cases as these. Facebook is another culprit here, pulling up info from various sources and presenting it as authoritative. I remember looking up the Dalai Lama and seeing at the bottom: "Nationality: Chinese" which made me laugh, but on the other hand things like these make many people upset.

huffmsa 6y ago
That is likely intentionally or a regional specific label to appease Chinese interests. Google maps will show you different borders and place names depending on where you are. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/02/14/google-maps-political-borders/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/02/14/google-...
em500 6y ago
> I remember looking up the Dalai Lama and seeing at the bottom: "Nationality: Chinese" which made me laugh, but on the other hand things like these make many people upset. Out of curiosity, what do you believe to be the correct nationality?
- tialaramex 6y ago
  I presume the Dalai Lama considers himself to be Tibetan. Now, perhaps you would consider that we ought to demand people's "nationality" be an actual UN member state which counts them as a citizen and since Tibet isn't a member... That's a bit awkward though because the "One China" policy ensures neither the Republic (in Taiwan) nor the PRC will allow the other to be a UN member at the same time as them. Also I find that I doubt we demand most people have documentary proof. Not taking their word for it is already a bit weird unless you're a border official. Is Samantha Bee really Canadian? I mean, she says she is so I just assumed...
  - brazzy 6y ago
    > the "One China" policy ensures neither the Republic (in Taiwan) nor the PRC will allow the other to be a UN member at the same time as them. Actually, 90+% of the population of the ROC, including their leaders, would be ecstatically happy to be an UN member separately from the PRC. The only reason they officially have a "One China policy" is that the PRC has made it clear that while they can tolerate the status quo of a rival government with zero prospects of actually challenging them controlling a small piece of their territory, they will very much not tolerate that piece of territory to become officially independant and provide an example for at least half a dozen others.
  - mc32 6y ago
    It could also be like asking what was Mozart’s nationality? Austrian or Holy Roman?
    - ginko 6y ago
      He was a Salzburger, which was an independent princedom back then.
      - mc32 6y ago
        Is that what he is celebrated as these days? Which country takes pride in this composer these days?