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I'm sure in theory they can learn to do all sorts of things but I still wouldn't trust them over a sober human driver. This self-driving technology is a perfec

I'm sure in theory they can learn to do all sorts of things but I still wouldn't trust them over a sober human driver. This self-driving technology is a perfect example of something that is hyped and needs to slow down and be rigorously tested before deployed IRL.

cgriswald 6y ago
I don’t know how it can possibly be done. I can’t do it myself. My ten minute drive through my Bay Area town looks like a comedy police chase complete with two guys carrying a big frame of glass, every day. Pedestrians will run up to an intersection and keep running across without a care even if they’ve just emerged from behind a corner and the intersection isn’t controlled. Others will act like they’re going to cross the road then pivot 90 degrees at the last second. Some almost cross the road and then start walking at an angle to the road rather than completing the cross. You’ll stop for some and wait and they’ll just stand their staring at their phones, only to step in front of you when you guess they’re just catching an Uber. Some people wave to mean you should go. Some wave you away like they’re shooing a fly, meaning they’re going no matter what you do. Some approach the crosswalk and then step out into the street ten feet in front of it. I’ve seen construction workers who think it’s cute to dance out their instructions. I had one who leapt across the road and then waved me through... a gap of about half my car’s width. I’ve seen both ends of constructions workers wave cars into single lane pass throughs; both human drivers realized and waited for them to figure it out. None of this is the really crazy stuff I see fairly regularly. It’s just the every day stuff. And it’s all combined with crazy non-standard signage, careless construction equipment drivers, and bicyclists who are a whole other ball of wax.
- INTPenis 6y ago
  Speaking of waving. That's one of my pet peeves in traffic. We're taught here in Sweden to NEVER EVER wave anyone ahead in traffic. Always obey the traffic laws and regulations about who has right of way and who has to yield. While still staying alert and prepared to react of course. So imagine a two lane road where one driver waves a biker ahead to cross while in the 2nd line a self-driving android is coming.
  - cgriswald 6y ago
    I witnessed an accident where someone stopped short in the left turn lane (which was waiting for the red to change) to wave someone coming the opposite way through to a gas station on the other side. The wave he meant was “I’ll wait here for you.” The wave she saw was “All clear go ahead and turn.” She turned, right in front of someone in the through lane and got hit. She then tried to blame the car that hit her saying the driver was speeding. I got involved as a witness and I know she ended up having to pay that driver’s damages. I’m not sure if she tried to go after the waving driver but that would have been the smarter move.
2rsf 6y ago
over a sober, not tired, not distracted, not listening to load music, not blinded by low sun or driving screaming kids in the back driver, yes. self-driving tech is still not there, but even now active braking and driving systems shows better safety figures than humans
- INTPenis 6y ago
  Camera lenses can't be blinded? Sensors can be blinded too, by rain, sun and dirt. Just had to remark on that specific point. But I understand where you're coming from. Still doesn't change my trust level for technology taking over in traffic.
  - 2rsf 6y ago
    Most self driving systems are using redundancy, people have only a couple of eyes. I was involved in the development of a self driving vehicle and agree that we are still not there, that's why there are no commercially sold self driving vehicles. OTOH we can clearly see that it is a possible goal, or at least a possible goal to try and achieve, for the coming years and not a very far future. Remember that what we want to achieve is not necessarily zero accidents but a lower number than human driver achieve.

cgriswald 6y ago

I don’t know how it can possibly be done. I can’t do it myself. My ten minute drive through my Bay Area town looks like a comedy police chase complete with two guys carrying a big frame of glass, every day. Pedestrians will run up to an intersection and keep running across without a care even if they’ve just emerged from behind a corner and the intersection isn’t controlled. Others will act like they’re going to cross the road then pivot 90 degrees at the last second. Some almost cross the road and then start walking at an angle to the road rather than completing the cross. You’ll stop for some and wait and they’ll just stand their staring at their phones, only to step in front of you when you guess they’re just catching an Uber. Some people wave to mean you should go. Some wave you away like they’re shooing a fly, meaning they’re going no matter what you do. Some approach the crosswalk and then step out into the street ten feet in front of it. I’ve seen construction workers who think it’s cute to dance out their instructions. I had one who leapt across the road and then waved me through... a gap of about half my car’s width. I’ve seen both ends of constructions workers wave cars into single lane pass throughs; both human drivers realized and waited for them to figure it out. None of this is the really crazy stuff I see fairly regularly. It’s just the every day stuff. And it’s all combined with crazy non-standard signage, careless construction equipment drivers, and bicyclists who are a whole other ball of wax.

INTPenis 6y ago
Speaking of waving. That's one of my pet peeves in traffic. We're taught here in Sweden to NEVER EVER wave anyone ahead in traffic. Always obey the traffic laws and regulations about who has right of way and who has to yield. While still staying alert and prepared to react of course. So imagine a two lane road where one driver waves a biker ahead to cross while in the 2nd line a self-driving android is coming.
- cgriswald 6y ago
  I witnessed an accident where someone stopped short in the left turn lane (which was waiting for the red to change) to wave someone coming the opposite way through to a gas station on the other side. The wave he meant was “I’ll wait here for you.” The wave she saw was “All clear go ahead and turn.” She turned, right in front of someone in the through lane and got hit. She then tried to blame the car that hit her saying the driver was speeding. I got involved as a witness and I know she ended up having to pay that driver’s damages. I’m not sure if she tried to go after the waving driver but that would have been the smarter move.

2rsf 6y ago

over a sober, not tired, not distracted, not listening to load music, not blinded by low sun or driving screaming kids in the back driver, yes. self-driving tech is still not there, but even now active braking and driving systems shows better safety figures than humans

INTPenis 6y ago
Camera lenses can't be blinded? Sensors can be blinded too, by rain, sun and dirt. Just had to remark on that specific point. But I understand where you're coming from. Still doesn't change my trust level for technology taking over in traffic.
- 2rsf 6y ago
  Most self driving systems are using redundancy, people have only a couple of eyes. I was involved in the development of a self driving vehicle and agree that we are still not there, that's why there are no commercially sold self driving vehicles. OTOH we can clearly see that it is a possible goal, or at least a possible goal to try and achieve, for the coming years and not a very far future. Remember that what we want to achieve is not necessarily zero accidents but a lower number than human driver achieve.