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Then you better correct the Wikipedia page listing the nominal working hours most of them exceeding the 35h (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wochenarbeitszeit

by yokaze 6y ago

Then you better correct the Wikipedia page listing the nominal working hours most of them exceeding the 35h (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wochenarbeitszeit https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wochenarbeitszeit), and I and the people further up in the thread have to sue our former /current employers, which contracted us with 40h/week.

em-bee 6y ago
all those entries list the hours in specific industries. what we can't tell from that table is how many jobs that actually covers. ig-metall is the largest union representing about 2/5 of all unionized employees in germany. keep in mind that in most cases a union agreement is applied to all employees, not just the union members, so many more jobs than union members are affected. that said, there is likely something wrong with that 34.5 average because i found other articles claiming an average of 37.5 and yet another of 41 hours. while i still believe that the 35 hour week has a large impact on the result, it is less large than i thought.
- yokaze 6y ago
  > ig-metall is the largest union representing about 2/5 of all unionized employees in germany. keep in mind that in most cases a union agreement is applied to all employees, not just the union members, so many more jobs than union members are affected. Yes, but those union agreements are per industry and/or company, depending if there is an industry agreement or not. That's why the hours are listed per industry. And they only apply to non-members, if the union has the mandate to negotiate on behalf of all workers, e.g. there is not another competing union with a sizable membership (not sure about the exact criteria). I worked at SAP, and ig-metall is a union there (not the only one). Different industry, no industry-wide union agreements. Ergo 40h per week. This is also the default by law, if the exact hours are not defined.

by yokaze 6y ago

em-bee 6y ago

all those entries list the hours in specific industries. what we can't tell from that table is how many jobs that actually covers. ig-metall is the largest union representing about 2/5 of all unionized employees in germany. keep in mind that in most cases a union agreement is applied to all employees, not just the union members, so many more jobs than union members are affected. that said, there is likely something wrong with that 34.5 average because i found other articles claiming an average of 37.5 and yet another of 41 hours. while i still believe that the 35 hour week has a large impact on the result, it is less large than i thought.

yokaze 6y ago
> ig-metall is the largest union representing about 2/5 of all unionized employees in germany. keep in mind that in most cases a union agreement is applied to all employees, not just the union members, so many more jobs than union members are affected. Yes, but those union agreements are per industry and/or company, depending if there is an industry agreement or not. That's why the hours are listed per industry. And they only apply to non-members, if the union has the mandate to negotiate on behalf of all workers, e.g. there is not another competing union with a sizable membership (not sure about the exact criteria). I worked at SAP, and ig-metall is a union there (not the only one). Different industry, no industry-wide union agreements. Ergo 40h per week. This is also the default by law, if the exact hours are not defined.