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A recent thread about a similar product: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24004588 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24004588 Personally, I think just t

by d3nj4l 6y ago

A recent thread about a similar product: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24004588 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24004588 Personally, I think just those limits make this a non-starter for me. 30 resources per topic over 250 topics is a total of just 7.5k links, which is nothing. Charging $19.99 a year for that (and that's introductory pricing!) is insanity, especially when there's free bookmarking tools, some of which are even open source or self hosted. E: Some less similar alternatives: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24199419 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24199419 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19346985 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19346985 http://pinboard.in/tour/ http://pinboard.in/tour/ I'm not affiliated with any of the alternatives I've listed.

masc98 6y ago
Thank you for your comment. It may sound a coincidence but I've updated the pricing and bundle limits (there was a typo in the pro 30 instead of 130..) just some minutes ago. Have a good day!
- armatav 6y ago
  Your pricing should be much higher in my opinion, something like $20-25/month, but then give those customers pretty massive access. (unlimited everything) Doing the math here, for you to make a starter engineering salary off this project, you'd need to hit $10,000/month - which would mean around 40,000 paying basic users or 12,000 paying pro users. If this hits the front page you'd maybe get around 50,000 hits to the site - which means your conversion needs to be around 80% (for Basic). Whereas if you had a free plan and a pro plan that was $25/month - you'd only need 400 people. Which is a conversion of 8% from this particular traffic source. Your call, but I think lower prices these days speak to me as the developer not being all-in on their particular product - even if you are, it's just the optics of it. If I really need this, you can bet I'd pay $25/month for it. The Roam Research guys do a good job at this, even if their product is not yet at 90% refinement, just the fact that they are willing to charge a higher price makes me believe they will actually put the work into it to make it better. There are students and researchers that do NOT want to bother with storing the files to build that graph, hooking up VSCode with a graph-editor addon (there are many), all they want is a thing that does what it says it does. And they pay well for it.
- dhimes 6y ago
  I'm a little confused: do you store a copy of the information/page, or just a link to it?
- d3nj4l 6y ago
  Congrats on your launch! The current limits are better, but having any limits at all on the top tier is kind of tough to buy into, because it's easy to wonder what I'll do if I run out of space after a while. I'd either have to create another account and pay for another subscription there, doubling my bill and splitting my workspace. If you think unlimited links for your current pricing is too generous, don't be afraid to set up a higher tier with truly unlimited capacity - if people like your product, they will almost certainly pay that.
zorbash 6y ago
I'm working on yet another alternative, which we're about to launch: https://www.tefter.io/teams/free-trial https://www.tefter.io/teams/free-trial We charge 39$/month flat, no limitations on the number of users, links, lists. The domain of bookmarking is definitely crowded, but we're focusing providing a solution where you forget you're dealing with bookmarks. With our browser extension, you can quickly jump between tabs, search you history and bookmarks either personal or your team's. There's also support for golinks style shortcuts, full-text search, a Slack app and even a cli app written in Elixir!
- nl 6y ago
  > We charge 39$/month flat, no limitations on the number of users, links, lists. Um wow. Does anyone actually pay that price?
  - zorbash 6y ago
    The cheapest personal plan is 9$/year. The teams one, we are about to launch, hopefully people won't find it expensive, given that golinks for example, charges $3.99 per user per month.
- goleary 6y ago
  Cool! My biggest complaint about golinks is the lack of a command activated search...looks like you're tackling that problem.
  - zorbash 6y ago
    Yeah, with our implementation of golinks, we quickly discovered that people tend to forget golinks they set. Is it go/docs or go/doc for example. So, with our /go command in the browser extension, all the golinks are listed and the user can use the autocomplete to find they one they need.

by d3nj4l 6y ago

masc98 6y ago

Thank you for your comment. It may sound a coincidence but I've updated the pricing and bundle limits (there was a typo in the pro 30 instead of 130..) just some minutes ago. Have a good day!

armatav 6y ago
Your pricing should be much higher in my opinion, something like $20-25/month, but then give those customers pretty massive access. (unlimited everything) Doing the math here, for you to make a starter engineering salary off this project, you'd need to hit $10,000/month - which would mean around 40,000 paying basic users or 12,000 paying pro users. If this hits the front page you'd maybe get around 50,000 hits to the site - which means your conversion needs to be around 80% (for Basic). Whereas if you had a free plan and a pro plan that was $25/month - you'd only need 400 people. Which is a conversion of 8% from this particular traffic source. Your call, but I think lower prices these days speak to me as the developer not being all-in on their particular product - even if you are, it's just the optics of it. If I really need this, you can bet I'd pay $25/month for it. The Roam Research guys do a good job at this, even if their product is not yet at 90% refinement, just the fact that they are willing to charge a higher price makes me believe they will actually put the work into it to make it better. There are students and researchers that do NOT want to bother with storing the files to build that graph, hooking up VSCode with a graph-editor addon (there are many), all they want is a thing that does what it says it does. And they pay well for it.
dhimes 6y ago
I'm a little confused: do you store a copy of the information/page, or just a link to it?
d3nj4l 6y ago
Congrats on your launch! The current limits are better, but having any limits at all on the top tier is kind of tough to buy into, because it's easy to wonder what I'll do if I run out of space after a while. I'd either have to create another account and pay for another subscription there, doubling my bill and splitting my workspace. If you think unlimited links for your current pricing is too generous, don't be afraid to set up a higher tier with truly unlimited capacity - if people like your product, they will almost certainly pay that.

zorbash 6y ago

I'm working on yet another alternative, which we're about to launch: https://www.tefter.io/teams/free-trial https://www.tefter.io/teams/free-trial We charge 39$/month flat, no limitations on the number of users, links, lists. The domain of bookmarking is definitely crowded, but we're focusing providing a solution where you forget you're dealing with bookmarks. With our browser extension, you can quickly jump between tabs, search you history and bookmarks either personal or your team's. There's also support for golinks style shortcuts, full-text search, a Slack app and even a cli app written in Elixir!

nl 6y ago
> We charge 39$/month flat, no limitations on the number of users, links, lists. Um wow. Does anyone actually pay that price?
- zorbash 6y ago
  The cheapest personal plan is 9$/year. The teams one, we are about to launch, hopefully people won't find it expensive, given that golinks for example, charges $3.99 per user per month.
goleary 6y ago
Cool! My biggest complaint about golinks is the lack of a command activated search...looks like you're tackling that problem.
- zorbash 6y ago
  Yeah, with our implementation of golinks, we quickly discovered that people tend to forget golinks they set. Is it go/docs or go/doc for example. So, with our /go command in the browser extension, all the golinks are listed and the user can use the autocomplete to find they one they need.