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> They're selling dossiers on you to groups literally trying to gaslight and manipulate you, to subconsciously influence you to do things, or to just make you g

> They're selling dossiers on you to groups literally trying to gaslight and manipulate you, to subconsciously influence you to do things, or to just make you generally feel like shit. Where can I find one of these dossiers? Or at least a screenshot example of a dossier that someone bought from Facebook? Surely you wouldn't make a claim without seeing proof of this behavior happening. That would misinform people and your not trying to do that, right?

giantrobot 6y ago
Who needs a screenshot? Look at your own[0]. Yeah I am[1] trying to misinform[2] people[3]. [0] https://m.facebook.com/help/212802592074644 https://m.facebook.com/help/212802592074644 [1] https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/24/technology/facebook-data/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/24/technology/facebook-data/in... [2] https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katienotopoulos/facebook-advertisers-data-brokers-car-dealerships https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katienotopoulos/faceboo... [3] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/20/how-to-see-which-facebook-apps-have-access-to-your-data.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/20/how-to-see-which-facebook-ap...
- shajznnckfke 6y ago
  Wait, you’re saying that Facebook allowing you to freely download your own data is selling dossiers? Complying with GDPR is wrongdoing, when Facebook does it?
  - giantrobot 6y ago
    You're well aware that's not what I was saying. I was demonstrating the data Facebook makes available and what they build their Ad products out of.
    - shajznnckfke 6y ago
      It sounds like Facebook is allowing advertisers who already have names and contact into for people (which is widely available info, so not too surprising that they have it), to target ads to those users. Is that what you meant by “selling dossiers”? That doesn’t sound like a dossier. I could see describing the user’s ability to download their own data as a dossier, but that’s just compliance with GDPR, not “selling dossiers”. I feel like there is some confusion happening here, where the data about yourself that you can download is being conflated with the name/contact info that the advertisers already have and use to buy ads, and these two separate things are being mixed together and described as “selling dossiers”. To be clear: GDPR data you can download about yourself includes the information about the advertisers who already had your contact info. Those advertisers don’t get a copy of the GDPR data portability document.
      - giantrobot 6y ago
        You're being willfully obtuse here. All of the data your GDPR documents is what Facebook builds their actual products out of. Facebook is selling advertisers and data brokers your social graph, browsing habits, and other details linked to extremely easily correlated selectors (e-mail, phone number, etc). Insinuating Facebook is not selling a personal dossier because they don't attach a copy of your driver's license is ridiculous. Your relationships and activity are your personal identifiable details.
        shajznnckfke 6y ago
        Facebook sells ad space, not data. I think you have a misunderstanding about Facebook’s business. They don’t offer any product where you can pay to look at someone’s private data. There is no way to buy a dossier from Facebook, it’s simply not a product they sell. Maybe you’re thinking of background checking companies who actually provide that kind of service? I haven’t seen much protesting against them, and what they do seems pretty invasive!

giantrobot 6y ago

Who needs a screenshot? Look at your own[0]. Yeah I am[1] trying to misinform[2] people[3]. [0] https://m.facebook.com/help/212802592074644 https://m.facebook.com/help/212802592074644 [1] https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/24/technology/facebook-data/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/24/technology/facebook-data/in... [2] https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katienotopoulos/facebook-advertisers-data-brokers-car-dealerships https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katienotopoulos/faceboo... [3] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/20/how-to-see-which-facebook-apps-have-access-to-your-data.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/20/how-to-see-which-facebook-ap...

shajznnckfke 6y ago
Wait, you’re saying that Facebook allowing you to freely download your own data is selling dossiers? Complying with GDPR is wrongdoing, when Facebook does it?
- giantrobot 6y ago
  You're well aware that's not what I was saying. I was demonstrating the data Facebook makes available and what they build their Ad products out of.
  - shajznnckfke 6y ago
    It sounds like Facebook is allowing advertisers who already have names and contact into for people (which is widely available info, so not too surprising that they have it), to target ads to those users. Is that what you meant by “selling dossiers”? That doesn’t sound like a dossier. I could see describing the user’s ability to download their own data as a dossier, but that’s just compliance with GDPR, not “selling dossiers”. I feel like there is some confusion happening here, where the data about yourself that you can download is being conflated with the name/contact info that the advertisers already have and use to buy ads, and these two separate things are being mixed together and described as “selling dossiers”. To be clear: GDPR data you can download about yourself includes the information about the advertisers who already had your contact info. Those advertisers don’t get a copy of the GDPR data portability document.
    - giantrobot 6y ago
      You're being willfully obtuse here. All of the data your GDPR documents is what Facebook builds their actual products out of. Facebook is selling advertisers and data brokers your social graph, browsing habits, and other details linked to extremely easily correlated selectors (e-mail, phone number, etc). Insinuating Facebook is not selling a personal dossier because they don't attach a copy of your driver's license is ridiculous. Your relationships and activity are your personal identifiable details.
      - shajznnckfke 6y ago
        Facebook sells ad space, not data. I think you have a misunderstanding about Facebook’s business. They don’t offer any product where you can pay to look at someone’s private data. There is no way to buy a dossier from Facebook, it’s simply not a product they sell. Maybe you’re thinking of background checking companies who actually provide that kind of service? I haven’t seen much protesting against them, and what they do seems pretty invasive!