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> You think Google could get away with stripping or editing commercial pages by default? Be serious. No one said anything about default. It can be opt in like

> You think Google could get away with stripping or editing commercial pages by default? Be serious. No one said anything about default. It can be opt in like amp but the difference is here simply that they don't require a new standard. Other ways they could solve is just disincentivise slow loading pages. They have said speed is a factor and tried to introduce some features such as showing how fast a page is on chrome as an experiment. They could have pushed that more.

macspoofing 6y ago
>It can be opt in like amp but the difference is here simply that they don't require a new standard. But that's exactly what amp is. An opt-in set of standards for creating fast-loading, cach-able pages. There is also no reason why websites couldn't replicate this outside of amp ... but they don't. >Other ways they could solve is just disincentivise slow loading pages. They do that ... in all kinds of ways. The problem is that with their position, they can destroy a lot of businesses if they apply these kinds of rules haphazardly. There's no simple solution here.
- searchableguy 6y ago
  > But that's exactly what amp is. An opt-in set of standards for creating fast-loading, cach-able pages Not exactly. For one, you could introduce opt in for Google to cache your page through a meta tag. No need for entirely new markup and tools. I have no problem with amp as a concept but the implementation leaves me sour. Amp specification has been growing in complexity that I don't notice speed differences on many sites anymore. They also inject their own js which I don't find amusing. Many sites are abusing amp to rank on Google. Reddit, pinterest, etc. It's a terrible experience as a user. They also didn't fix url and domain problem until recently. It's a usability problem. I can't search for the specific tab by the domain name of the site on my browser. They default opt-in to downloading content in the background for amp feed on chrome android. There are many little annoyances like this one that make me dislike amp. Plus, amp isn't heuristic based. If my network speed is fast enough, I don't need the stripped out page. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24327292 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24327292

macspoofing 6y ago

>It can be opt in like amp but the difference is here simply that they don't require a new standard. But that's exactly what amp is. An opt-in set of standards for creating fast-loading, cach-able pages. There is also no reason why websites couldn't replicate this outside of amp ... but they don't. >Other ways they could solve is just disincentivise slow loading pages. They do that ... in all kinds of ways. The problem is that with their position, they can destroy a lot of businesses if they apply these kinds of rules haphazardly. There's no simple solution here.

searchableguy 6y ago
> But that's exactly what amp is. An opt-in set of standards for creating fast-loading, cach-able pages Not exactly. For one, you could introduce opt in for Google to cache your page through a meta tag. No need for entirely new markup and tools. I have no problem with amp as a concept but the implementation leaves me sour. Amp specification has been growing in complexity that I don't notice speed differences on many sites anymore. They also inject their own js which I don't find amusing. Many sites are abusing amp to rank on Google. Reddit, pinterest, etc. It's a terrible experience as a user. They also didn't fix url and domain problem until recently. It's a usability problem. I can't search for the specific tab by the domain name of the site on my browser. They default opt-in to downloading content in the background for amp feed on chrome android. There are many little annoyances like this one that make me dislike amp. Plus, amp isn't heuristic based. If my network speed is fast enough, I don't need the stripped out page. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24327292 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24327292