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The bit that caught my attention is that 6 of the 8 founding scientists are gone. I bet the former and current heads of AutoPilot are shaking their heads now. S

The bit that caught my attention is that 6 of the 8 founding scientists are gone. I bet the former and current heads of AutoPilot are shaking their heads now. Sterling Anderson -> Chris Lattner -> Stuart Bowers -> Milan Kovac. Note how there was a progression from experienced highly respected scientists and engineers until Elon finally put in place someone who owes his career to Elon.

WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
In the real world, the people who get stuff done get replaced with Yes Men who go "yes, no problem, we can hit that deadline" and end up delivering trash. Tesla's self driving division will really have to include a beheading life insurance policy for me to buy their cars after the shit that came out on Twitter about how things are done in their "move fast, break things, kill people" organization.
- ciarannolan 6y ago
  > [...] after the shit that came out on Twitter about how things are done in their "move fast, break things, kill people" organization. Like what?
  - NeutronStar 6y ago
    Everyone knows what is being said on Twitter is the truth! People wouldn't lie on the internet would they?
  - Rebelgecko 6y ago
    Perhaps this[1]? It starts with a bit about how they had to SSH into everyone's car to fix a bootloop, and goes downhill from there. [1]: https://twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1032939617404645376 https://twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1032939617404645376
    - techdragon 6y ago
      Wow... I honestly feel better about my work now. That was remarkable reading.
    - johnnujler 6y ago
      Wow...I always thought software development in the automotive field was superior in terms of care, precision etc to that of an average software company. Now I can without doubt tell the stack and the codebase in the organization that I work is far more robust and carefully done.
      - mercer 6y ago
        I'm incredibly careful with all my projects when it comes to security or avoiding bugs in general. It's only been after a decade or so working in my field that I took on projects where I had to write authorization/authentication code, or where I had to harden and manage a server. Every single time that I took on work as a contractor for "Serious" BigCo, I was shocked by how much worse they were handling all of it. Literally no exception. For some of the chaotic startups I worked for, I wasn't too surprised, but this was the norm everywhere. For example, as a contractor I'd be able to take entire continents' high-traffic websites offline for a particular media company, probably costing them a noticeable amount of money. Not only could I do this, but I could still do so more than a year after I had left the company. I suppose having the resources to open up a can of lawyers makes a big difference though. So I'm still very careful personally.
- pbreit 6y ago
  “Yes men” get infinitely more results than “no men”.
  - waheoo 6y ago
    The trick is to say no, and then yes, then when it fails anyway, you can say I told you so. - Real leaders everywhere
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  There have been a total of six deaths related to Autopilot misuse over 3 billion Autopilot driven miles by the fleet. Humans are terrible at risk management.
  - jeanvalmarc 6y ago
    > There have been a total of six deaths related to Autopilot misuse over 3 billion Autopilot driven miles by the fleet. Humans are terrible at risk management. Or, humans rightly assessed that despite marketing to the contrary autopilot only really works on the easiest part of driving (highway miles) and still managed to kill 6 people.
    - toomuchtodo 6y ago
      Based on Tesla’s valuation and their autonomy license revenue (publicly available in the financials), I don’t believe your assertion is borne out. Customers and investors are confident in their autonomy aspirations, based on the data available.
      - cool_dude85 6y ago
        You could have said the same thing about WeWork or Theranos not so long ago.
    - taneq 6y ago
      > despite marketing to the contrary autopilot only really works on the easiest part of driving Is that not what Autopilot is sold as? Does it not make you read and accept a disclaimer stating exactly this?
      - avs733 6y ago
        The things the ceo proclaims on stage and in the press are marketing -what it’s sold as. A click wrap legal disclaimer after you already purchased the thing is in no way what something is sold as. It literally can’t be - because you have already bought it.

WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago

In the real world, the people who get stuff done get replaced with Yes Men who go "yes, no problem, we can hit that deadline" and end up delivering trash. Tesla's self driving division will really have to include a beheading life insurance policy for me to buy their cars after the shit that came out on Twitter about how things are done in their "move fast, break things, kill people" organization.

ciarannolan 6y ago
> [...] after the shit that came out on Twitter about how things are done in their "move fast, break things, kill people" organization. Like what?
- NeutronStar 6y ago
  Everyone knows what is being said on Twitter is the truth! People wouldn't lie on the internet would they?
- Rebelgecko 6y ago
  Perhaps this[1]? It starts with a bit about how they had to SSH into everyone's car to fix a bootloop, and goes downhill from there. [1]: https://twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1032939617404645376 https://twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1032939617404645376
  - techdragon 6y ago
    Wow... I honestly feel better about my work now. That was remarkable reading.
  - johnnujler 6y ago
    Wow...I always thought software development in the automotive field was superior in terms of care, precision etc to that of an average software company. Now I can without doubt tell the stack and the codebase in the organization that I work is far more robust and carefully done.
    - mercer 6y ago
      I'm incredibly careful with all my projects when it comes to security or avoiding bugs in general. It's only been after a decade or so working in my field that I took on projects where I had to write authorization/authentication code, or where I had to harden and manage a server. Every single time that I took on work as a contractor for "Serious" BigCo, I was shocked by how much worse they were handling all of it. Literally no exception. For some of the chaotic startups I worked for, I wasn't too surprised, but this was the norm everywhere. For example, as a contractor I'd be able to take entire continents' high-traffic websites offline for a particular media company, probably costing them a noticeable amount of money. Not only could I do this, but I could still do so more than a year after I had left the company. I suppose having the resources to open up a can of lawyers makes a big difference though. So I'm still very careful personally.
pbreit 6y ago
“Yes men” get infinitely more results than “no men”.
- waheoo 6y ago
  The trick is to say no, and then yes, then when it fails anyway, you can say I told you so. - Real leaders everywhere
toomuchtodo 6y ago
There have been a total of six deaths related to Autopilot misuse over 3 billion Autopilot driven miles by the fleet. Humans are terrible at risk management.
- jeanvalmarc 6y ago
  > There have been a total of six deaths related to Autopilot misuse over 3 billion Autopilot driven miles by the fleet. Humans are terrible at risk management. Or, humans rightly assessed that despite marketing to the contrary autopilot only really works on the easiest part of driving (highway miles) and still managed to kill 6 people.
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    Based on Tesla’s valuation and their autonomy license revenue (publicly available in the financials), I don’t believe your assertion is borne out. Customers and investors are confident in their autonomy aspirations, based on the data available.
    - cool_dude85 6y ago
      You could have said the same thing about WeWork or Theranos not so long ago.
  - taneq 6y ago
    > despite marketing to the contrary autopilot only really works on the easiest part of driving Is that not what Autopilot is sold as? Does it not make you read and accept a disclaimer stating exactly this?
    - avs733 6y ago
      The things the ceo proclaims on stage and in the press are marketing -what it’s sold as. A click wrap legal disclaimer after you already purchased the thing is in no way what something is sold as. It literally can’t be - because you have already bought it.