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Are you looking for proof about what? About the belief that the US is a Christian nation or about the belief that Christians are persecuted in the US? Because

Are you looking for proof about what? About the belief that the US is a Christian nation or about the belief that Christians are persecuted in the US? Because evangelical groups have been very vocal about each of those claims for a very long time.

mgh2 6y ago
Yes, proof to refute their points
- mgh2 6y ago
  I will help you out: 1. America as a "Christian nation": partly true, due to settlers being mostly Puritans seeking shelter from religious persecution. Ex: Harvard created by Puritans 2. Evangelical power grab: Yes, they might have infiltrated the government. Watch a Netflix documentary called “The Family” based on an insider’s investigation. 3. Religious persecution: from varied, unconventional sources (not from mainstream liberal media)- Christianity is the most persecuted religion internationally (in terms of gravity of consequences): beheadings, incarceration, beatings, etc. The US still has it easy. Although Evangelicals sometimes wanders off from mainline Christianity, their points are not exactly without merit.
mansion7 6y ago
As a non-Christian observer, Christianity does seem to be the only religion that it is acceptable to mock, deride, and make a scapegoat of. A CNN commenter blaming America's problems on Christianity would fit right in and go unremarked upon, other than perhaps by the targets. The same commenter blaming the problems of the Middle East (or more locally, Dearborn or 'Little Mogadishu') on Islam, would likely be censured and be forced to apologise, if not fired outright. Recall that even after the Islamic terror attacks of 9/11, George Bush was forced to refer to Islam as a "religion of peace" lest he be tarred by the media as a bigot. And if that commenter should remark negatively on Judaism? One can't even describe the outcome, because to do so has itself been labeled as anti-Semitic, which is a career-killer in many fields. But any and all attacks towards Christianity are on the table. It seems those evangelical Christians may have a valid point.
- rumanator 6y ago
  > As a non-Christian observer, Christianity does seem to be the only religion that it is acceptable to mock, deride, and make a scapegoat of. Christianity is the largest religious group in the world, which dominates free and open societies that enjoy freedom of speech without fear of repercussion. The places where Christianity gets mocked and ridiculed are the same places where heads of state and leading politicians are freely mocked and ridiculed. That does not mean Christians are oppressed. It just means that their societies are tolerant, like... Well, like exactly what the religion defends. Just because we, in western countries, feel free to make jokes about religious groups that doesn't mean they are being oppressed.
  - mansion7 6y ago
    Only by 5%. This will soon be surpassed by Islam. One wonders if the "free and open societies that enjoy freedom of speech without fear of repercussion" will continue when the Christians in those areas are minoritized or depleted. Actually, one needn't wonder, one only need review a general survey of human rights in countries where it already dominates. As to your other point, It is not certain that it is mere tolerance. If Christians do not allow outsiders to come and diminish them, or they sanction those who do, they are called racist, xenophobic, etc. To a person or entity that knows itself NOT to be racist/bigoted, this is of the highest offense. It is preferable as a country to be called even communist, than racist. So in an effort to avoid being tarred racist/bigoted, they allow people who hate them and the societies they create to come in and undermine them. This leads to their status being chipped away at, until they are only nominally Christian, or outright atheistic (various countries in Europe), or superceded and replaced. See Merkel-ism, where one invites a million foreigners hostile to your country and way of life, thereby irrevocably altering the country in ways as yet to be imagined. As far as I can tell, Christianity is the only faith that is called upon to "diversify" and "enrich" itself in such a manner. This disparity in treatment is in itself oppression. I would posit that you may be viewing this situation from a position of privilege, where the consequences of such disparate treatment are not yet visited upon you. Or perhaps you believe Christians should not be allowed to have countries and spaces of their own, as other faiths do. But as a non-Christian who lives in a Christian area (and who is respectful of their beliefs and does not they to replace them with my own) it is quite apparent.

mgh2 6y ago

Yes, proof to refute their points

mgh2 6y ago
I will help you out: 1. America as a "Christian nation": partly true, due to settlers being mostly Puritans seeking shelter from religious persecution. Ex: Harvard created by Puritans 2. Evangelical power grab: Yes, they might have infiltrated the government. Watch a Netflix documentary called “The Family” based on an insider’s investigation. 3. Religious persecution: from varied, unconventional sources (not from mainstream liberal media)- Christianity is the most persecuted religion internationally (in terms of gravity of consequences): beheadings, incarceration, beatings, etc. The US still has it easy. Although Evangelicals sometimes wanders off from mainline Christianity, their points are not exactly without merit.

mansion7 6y ago

As a non-Christian observer, Christianity does seem to be the only religion that it is acceptable to mock, deride, and make a scapegoat of. A CNN commenter blaming America's problems on Christianity would fit right in and go unremarked upon, other than perhaps by the targets. The same commenter blaming the problems of the Middle East (or more locally, Dearborn or 'Little Mogadishu') on Islam, would likely be censured and be forced to apologise, if not fired outright. Recall that even after the Islamic terror attacks of 9/11, George Bush was forced to refer to Islam as a "religion of peace" lest he be tarred by the media as a bigot. And if that commenter should remark negatively on Judaism? One can't even describe the outcome, because to do so has itself been labeled as anti-Semitic, which is a career-killer in many fields. But any and all attacks towards Christianity are on the table. It seems those evangelical Christians may have a valid point.

rumanator 6y ago
> As a non-Christian observer, Christianity does seem to be the only religion that it is acceptable to mock, deride, and make a scapegoat of. Christianity is the largest religious group in the world, which dominates free and open societies that enjoy freedom of speech without fear of repercussion. The places where Christianity gets mocked and ridiculed are the same places where heads of state and leading politicians are freely mocked and ridiculed. That does not mean Christians are oppressed. It just means that their societies are tolerant, like... Well, like exactly what the religion defends. Just because we, in western countries, feel free to make jokes about religious groups that doesn't mean they are being oppressed.
- mansion7 6y ago
  Only by 5%. This will soon be surpassed by Islam. One wonders if the "free and open societies that enjoy freedom of speech without fear of repercussion" will continue when the Christians in those areas are minoritized or depleted. Actually, one needn't wonder, one only need review a general survey of human rights in countries where it already dominates. As to your other point, It is not certain that it is mere tolerance. If Christians do not allow outsiders to come and diminish them, or they sanction those who do, they are called racist, xenophobic, etc. To a person or entity that knows itself NOT to be racist/bigoted, this is of the highest offense. It is preferable as a country to be called even communist, than racist. So in an effort to avoid being tarred racist/bigoted, they allow people who hate them and the societies they create to come in and undermine them. This leads to their status being chipped away at, until they are only nominally Christian, or outright atheistic (various countries in Europe), or superceded and replaced. See Merkel-ism, where one invites a million foreigners hostile to your country and way of life, thereby irrevocably altering the country in ways as yet to be imagined. As far as I can tell, Christianity is the only faith that is called upon to "diversify" and "enrich" itself in such a manner. This disparity in treatment is in itself oppression. I would posit that you may be viewing this situation from a position of privilege, where the consequences of such disparate treatment are not yet visited upon you. Or perhaps you believe Christians should not be allowed to have countries and spaces of their own, as other faiths do. But as a non-Christian who lives in a Christian area (and who is respectful of their beliefs and does not they to replace them with my own) it is quite apparent.