> If tons of complexity is needed that baffles Ansible/Salt etc, I would be looking at the architects askew TBH... Simple clean architectures can be deployed

> If tons of complexity is needed that baffles Ansible/Salt etc, I would be looking at the architects askew TBH... Simple clean architectures can be deployed with anything. I judge a tool by it's ability to "make the easy things easy, and the hard things possible". But you do have a very good point here: > the old ways are largely pointless for most clients and developers who have long left behind artisan infrastructure I don't like that it is this way, maybe I'm just old fashioned. But yes. This is the way it is.