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> cushy US salary Wouldn't this be tax fraud to claim an address in US as your paycheck address and not actually live there?

taylortrusty 6y ago
How is that tax fraud? You pay federal taxes anywhere in the world you live as an American citizen.
- dominotw 6y ago
  ok i work 100% remote, can I claim my sisters address in Texas in texas for my payroll and actaully live in new york? I am genuinely curious. This will save me tens and thousands of dollars every year if this isn't fraud. why the downvotes, i don't get it.
  - throwaway894345 6y ago
    Lying about your address is tax fraud, but no one is talking about that...
  - jsjohnst 6y ago
    > ok i work 100% remote, can I claim my sisters address in Texas in texas for my payroll and actaully live in new york? That’s an entirely different issue. Yes, New York state will likely take issue with the scenario you describe, but not at the federal level (what this thread is about). Further nobody, but you, was indicating lying about their address.
    - dominotw 6y ago
      > That’s an entirely different issue. how is it different? OP is claiming an address in USA for payroll as his residence but it isn't actually his residence. How is this not fraud.
      - jsjohnst 6y ago
        Reread their post again, there is no mention of lying about their address to their employer. Based on your other comments, it seems you assume that all employers wouldn’t maintain a salary if someone moves, which isn’t true (yes, it’s common for employers to adjust salaries for that reason, but it’s not an automatic given).
        dominotw 6y ago
        Really shocked by this. I had no idea there are employers who doesn't adjust your salary from US salary if you move to an entirely different country. all the examples i know of like gitlab, mozilla ect adjust it to local country comp. anyone know if such an employer actually exists in US?
        jsjohnst 6y ago
        > anyone know if such an employer actually exists in US? Yes. I’ve personally seen it happen multiple times at different employers, each with unique factors. There are way to many factors at play here to make broad assumptions that no employer does it... - first and foremost, Covid changed everything when it comes to remote salary norms - Duration of move (some employers would be more lenient for 6-12mo vs permanent move) - level of seniority (which correlates somewhat with how hard it is to replace said employee if employer says no) - how long as the employee worked for employer (another factor in how much it impacts employer if employee moves anyway and goes to work for another company) - how bad the employer wants to retain said employee (Multiple previous emplayers, big and small, have made exceptions for specific coworkers) - it’s important enough to mention again, Covid changed everything.
        dominotw 6y ago
        > There are way to many factors at play here to make broad assumptions that no employer does it... Yes you can make broad assumptions that almost no hr, payroll, legal dept of any company is setup to deal with taxes, labor laws ect across hundreds of different countries. Yes exceptions exist. > - it’s important enough to mention again, Covid changed everything. No it didn't. Do you have even a single example of an employer thats allowing ppl work longterm from whichever country they please due to covid?
jsjohnst 6y ago
> Wouldn't this be tax fraud to claim an address in US as your paycheck address and not actually live there? It might be other forms of fraud, but not sure how you come to the conclusion it’s tax fraud. The US government doesn’t care where you live, as long as you are a citizen, you have to file and pay taxes owed (which admittedly, might not be as high as they normally would be if a resident under some circumstances). It doesn’t matter if you haven’t lived in the US for decades and work for a foreign company, unless you renounce your citizenship, the IRS wants their claws in it.
throwaway894345 6y ago
Having a US salary doesn’t imply claiming that I live in the US. It just means my employer continues to pay me my salary which is negotiated based on the US job market. I wouldn’t lie to anyone (my employer, the US government, nor the host government) about where I live.
- dominotw 6y ago
  > I wouldn’t lie to anyone (my employer, the US government, nor the host government) about where I live. How though? You have to claim a local US address for your payroll though. right? What will that address be?
  - throwaway894345 6y ago
    If I was moving for the long term (whatever the legal requirement is for an address change), then I would report my new address. There is no requirement that a US company can only employ US residents to the best of my knowledge.
    - dominotw 6y ago
      > There is no requirement that a US company can only employ US residents to the best of my knowledge. I understand this, obviously. You seemed to have implied that you would still be paid 'cushy us salary' in ireland, thats what i am talking about. does your current employer still pay you US salary if you live in ireland? I would love to work for such an employer, i want to move back to my home country and still keep my US salary.
      - throwaway894345 6y ago
        > does your current employer still pay you US salary if you live in ireland? Yes, but this varies by company, and is predicated on the assumption that the move wouldn’t interfere with my job performance. E.g., I would still work my normal US hours because my job requires some amount of communication with my team.

taylortrusty 6y ago

How is that tax fraud? You pay federal taxes anywhere in the world you live as an American citizen.

dominotw 6y ago
ok i work 100% remote, can I claim my sisters address in Texas in texas for my payroll and actaully live in new york? I am genuinely curious. This will save me tens and thousands of dollars every year if this isn't fraud. why the downvotes, i don't get it.
- throwaway894345 6y ago
  Lying about your address is tax fraud, but no one is talking about that...
- jsjohnst 6y ago
  > ok i work 100% remote, can I claim my sisters address in Texas in texas for my payroll and actaully live in new york? That’s an entirely different issue. Yes, New York state will likely take issue with the scenario you describe, but not at the federal level (what this thread is about). Further nobody, but you, was indicating lying about their address.
  - dominotw 6y ago
    > That’s an entirely different issue. how is it different? OP is claiming an address in USA for payroll as his residence but it isn't actually his residence. How is this not fraud.
    - jsjohnst 6y ago
      Reread their post again, there is no mention of lying about their address to their employer. Based on your other comments, it seems you assume that all employers wouldn’t maintain a salary if someone moves, which isn’t true (yes, it’s common for employers to adjust salaries for that reason, but it’s not an automatic given).
      - dominotw 6y ago
        Really shocked by this. I had no idea there are employers who doesn't adjust your salary from US salary if you move to an entirely different country. all the examples i know of like gitlab, mozilla ect adjust it to local country comp. anyone know if such an employer actually exists in US?
        jsjohnst 6y ago
        > anyone know if such an employer actually exists in US? Yes. I’ve personally seen it happen multiple times at different employers, each with unique factors. There are way to many factors at play here to make broad assumptions that no employer does it... - first and foremost, Covid changed everything when it comes to remote salary norms - Duration of move (some employers would be more lenient for 6-12mo vs permanent move) - level of seniority (which correlates somewhat with how hard it is to replace said employee if employer says no) - how long as the employee worked for employer (another factor in how much it impacts employer if employee moves anyway and goes to work for another company) - how bad the employer wants to retain said employee (Multiple previous emplayers, big and small, have made exceptions for specific coworkers) - it’s important enough to mention again, Covid changed everything.
        dominotw 6y ago
        > There are way to many factors at play here to make broad assumptions that no employer does it... Yes you can make broad assumptions that almost no hr, payroll, legal dept of any company is setup to deal with taxes, labor laws ect across hundreds of different countries. Yes exceptions exist. > - it’s important enough to mention again, Covid changed everything. No it didn't. Do you have even a single example of an employer thats allowing ppl work longterm from whichever country they please due to covid?

jsjohnst 6y ago

> Wouldn't this be tax fraud to claim an address in US as your paycheck address and not actually live there? It might be other forms of fraud, but not sure how you come to the conclusion it’s tax fraud. The US government doesn’t care where you live, as long as you are a citizen, you have to file and pay taxes owed (which admittedly, might not be as high as they normally would be if a resident under some circumstances). It doesn’t matter if you haven’t lived in the US for decades and work for a foreign company, unless you renounce your citizenship, the IRS wants their claws in it.

throwaway894345 6y ago

Having a US salary doesn’t imply claiming that I live in the US. It just means my employer continues to pay me my salary which is negotiated based on the US job market. I wouldn’t lie to anyone (my employer, the US government, nor the host government) about where I live.

dominotw 6y ago
> I wouldn’t lie to anyone (my employer, the US government, nor the host government) about where I live. How though? You have to claim a local US address for your payroll though. right? What will that address be?
- throwaway894345 6y ago
  If I was moving for the long term (whatever the legal requirement is for an address change), then I would report my new address. There is no requirement that a US company can only employ US residents to the best of my knowledge.
  - dominotw 6y ago
    > There is no requirement that a US company can only employ US residents to the best of my knowledge. I understand this, obviously. You seemed to have implied that you would still be paid 'cushy us salary' in ireland, thats what i am talking about. does your current employer still pay you US salary if you live in ireland? I would love to work for such an employer, i want to move back to my home country and still keep my US salary.
    - throwaway894345 6y ago
      > does your current employer still pay you US salary if you live in ireland? Yes, but this varies by company, and is predicated on the assumption that the move wouldn’t interfere with my job performance. E.g., I would still work my normal US hours because my job requires some amount of communication with my team.