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> or even just getting an ASN and some IPv6 PA space and trying to announce it somewhere That’s fairly expensive to do just for a hobby interest, but at least

> or even just getting an ASN and some IPv6 PA space and trying to announce it somewhere That’s fairly expensive to do just for a hobby interest, but at least the price has came down since I last looked.

q3k 6y ago
A RIPE ASN (as a end-user through a LIR) and PA v6 will cost you around $100 per year and some mild paperwork, there's plenty of companies/organizations that will help you with that (shameless plug: bgp.wtf, that's us). Afterwards, announcing this space is probably the cheapest with vultr (but their BGP connectivity to VMs is uh, erratic at times) or with ix-vm.cloud, or with packet.net (more expensive). You can also try to colo something in he.net FMT2 and reach FCIX, or something in kleyrex in Germany. All in all, you should be able to do something like run a toy v6 anycast CDN at not more than $100 per month.
- MayeulC 6y ago
  > bgp.wtf, that's us I feel like you ought to be part of the ffdn database: https://db.ffdn.org/ https://db.ffdn.org/ Though the "French Data Networks Federation" is a French organization, their db tries to cover every independent, nonprofit ISP in the world :)
  - q3k 6y ago
    That couldn't work, unfortunately, per https://www.ffdn.org/en/charter-good-practices-and-common-commitments https://www.ffdn.org/en/charter-good-practices-and-common-co... : > All subscribers to Internet access provided by the provider must be members of the provider and must have the corresponding rights, including the right to vote, within reasonable time and procedure. Not all of our subscribers are members of our association. The association is primarily a hackerspace with hackerspace members being members of the association. We just happen to also be an ISP selling services commercially (eg. to people colocating equipment with us, or buying FTTH connectivity in the building we're located in).
    - MayeulC 6y ago
      Ah, that's interesting, thank you for pointing this out to me, I didn't know about it. I take it that this isn't the first time you are asked about this, then? Well, I on one hand I perfectly understand you not wanting to change your structure, especially if it works fine. On the other, can see a few ways around that restriction, and don't really see how having the ISP a separate association with its customers as members (maybe with their votes having less weight than hackerspace members) would have a downside (except if funds are primarilly collected for funding hackerspace activities?).
      - q3k 6y ago
        > I take it that this isn't the first time you are asked about this, then? First time, but I read the rules carefully :). > [I] don't really see how having the ISP a separate association with its customers as members [...] would have a downside [...] Paperwork, in time and actual accounting fees. If/when we grow, this might happen - but for now it's just not worth the extra effort. We're not even breaking even on this, just using whatever extra income from customers to offset the costs of our own Internet infrastructure for the hackerspace. We don't even have enough customers to legally start a separate association with them as members, as far as I understand. I also don't think our customers would necessarily be interested in becoming members of an association, they just want good and cheap Internet access and/or mediocre and cheap colocation space.
- jsjohnst 6y ago
  > A RIPE ASN (as a end-user through a LIR) and PA v6 will cost you around $100 per year ARIN starting price is 2.5x that much (used to be 5x) for just the ASN. Glad the pricing is better elsewhere in the world at least!
  - oarsinsync 6y ago
    If you try to become an LIR in your own right, RIPE fees are much higher. If you're looking for PI (provider independent) resources from RIPE, the costs to the LIR (on top of their annual membership fees) is around 50€/year. An ASN and a /48 of IPv6 PI space would therefore clock in around 100€/year (which is in line with the GP's pricing). Membership fees are around 1400€/year, with a 2000€ signup fee. The number of PA (provider assigned) resources you have has no bearing on your membership fee. If you only have a single /22 of IPv4 PA space (the maximum you can get as a new LIR today) or you have several /16s, it makes no difference to your membership fees (this wasn't always the case, the fee structure changes regularly). (EDIT: Source: the RIPE website, and the invoices they've sent me for my LIR membership fees)

q3k 6y ago

A RIPE ASN (as a end-user through a LIR) and PA v6 will cost you around $100 per year and some mild paperwork, there's plenty of companies/organizations that will help you with that (shameless plug: bgp.wtf, that's us). Afterwards, announcing this space is probably the cheapest with vultr (but their BGP connectivity to VMs is uh, erratic at times) or with ix-vm.cloud, or with packet.net (more expensive). You can also try to colo something in he.net FMT2 and reach FCIX, or something in kleyrex in Germany. All in all, you should be able to do something like run a toy v6 anycast CDN at not more than $100 per month.

MayeulC 6y ago
> bgp.wtf, that's us I feel like you ought to be part of the ffdn database: https://db.ffdn.org/ https://db.ffdn.org/ Though the "French Data Networks Federation" is a French organization, their db tries to cover every independent, nonprofit ISP in the world :)
- q3k 6y ago
  That couldn't work, unfortunately, per https://www.ffdn.org/en/charter-good-practices-and-common-commitments https://www.ffdn.org/en/charter-good-practices-and-common-co... : > All subscribers to Internet access provided by the provider must be members of the provider and must have the corresponding rights, including the right to vote, within reasonable time and procedure. Not all of our subscribers are members of our association. The association is primarily a hackerspace with hackerspace members being members of the association. We just happen to also be an ISP selling services commercially (eg. to people colocating equipment with us, or buying FTTH connectivity in the building we're located in).
  - MayeulC 6y ago
    Ah, that's interesting, thank you for pointing this out to me, I didn't know about it. I take it that this isn't the first time you are asked about this, then? Well, I on one hand I perfectly understand you not wanting to change your structure, especially if it works fine. On the other, can see a few ways around that restriction, and don't really see how having the ISP a separate association with its customers as members (maybe with their votes having less weight than hackerspace members) would have a downside (except if funds are primarilly collected for funding hackerspace activities?).
    - q3k 6y ago
      > I take it that this isn't the first time you are asked about this, then? First time, but I read the rules carefully :). > [I] don't really see how having the ISP a separate association with its customers as members [...] would have a downside [...] Paperwork, in time and actual accounting fees. If/when we grow, this might happen - but for now it's just not worth the extra effort. We're not even breaking even on this, just using whatever extra income from customers to offset the costs of our own Internet infrastructure for the hackerspace. We don't even have enough customers to legally start a separate association with them as members, as far as I understand. I also don't think our customers would necessarily be interested in becoming members of an association, they just want good and cheap Internet access and/or mediocre and cheap colocation space.
jsjohnst 6y ago
> A RIPE ASN (as a end-user through a LIR) and PA v6 will cost you around $100 per year ARIN starting price is 2.5x that much (used to be 5x) for just the ASN. Glad the pricing is better elsewhere in the world at least!
- oarsinsync 6y ago
  If you try to become an LIR in your own right, RIPE fees are much higher. If you're looking for PI (provider independent) resources from RIPE, the costs to the LIR (on top of their annual membership fees) is around 50€/year. An ASN and a /48 of IPv6 PI space would therefore clock in around 100€/year (which is in line with the GP's pricing). Membership fees are around 1400€/year, with a 2000€ signup fee. The number of PA (provider assigned) resources you have has no bearing on your membership fee. If you only have a single /22 of IPv4 PA space (the maximum you can get as a new LIR today) or you have several /16s, it makes no difference to your membership fees (this wasn't always the case, the fee structure changes regularly). (EDIT: Source: the RIPE website, and the invoices they've sent me for my LIR membership fees)