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If you're not a US citizen, you won't have to pay income at all due to tax residency rules. only the US is brazen enough to charge non-resident citizens income

If you're not a US citizen, you won't have to pay income at all due to tax residency rules. only the US is brazen enough to charge non-resident citizens income tax

PopeDotNinja 6y ago
>> only the US is brazen enough to charge non-resident citizens income tax Don't forget Hungary, Myanmar, and Eritrea, too! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_taxation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_taxation
- tom_mellior 6y ago
  "Hey, we're doing the same things as Hungary, Myanmar, and Eritrea" is not usually a good argument for anything. Anyway, the Hungary part surprised me since I'm a Hungarian citizen living abroad and have never been bothered about tax. The Wikipedia table says residents of countries with tax treaties are exempt, and that should be pretty much all of them? The PDF link from Wikipedia is broken, which is normal for how the Hungarian government operates.
  - noir_lord 6y ago
    Same for my partner who is Hungarian though in her case it was one EU country to another (well it was at the time, won't be soon, bloody brexit).
  - perl4ever 6y ago
    Since the US has an exemption for foreign income, this seems like making overmuch of a technicality. It reminds me of the histrionics over the US not being officially metric by people from the UK.
    - oh_sigh 6y ago
      Well that's rich, coming from people who can't even stick with one system and have a weird mix of imperial, metric, and various archaic units - which is IMHO worse than just being on imperial.
      - perl4ever 6y ago
        That description applies to both the US and UK, perhaps others, and it's hard to be unaware when you're connected to a global computer network. Just google "site:uk mpg". "Put simply, all MPG does is tell you approximately how far your vehicle will travel based upon a single UK gallon, which equates to approximately 4.55 litres of fuel" This particular thing, I'm aware of because there is perennial confusion over comparing mpg given that Imperial gallons are larger than American ones. If people just used L/100km.... Chauvinists go to ridiculous lengths to magnify small differences.
        oh_sigh 6y ago
        That's not the mixing I'm talking about. American gallons and imperial gallons being defined differently is rarely an issue since gallons are rarely exchanged between America and the UK (in a relative usage sense). If America happened to call their unit gabbons, this confusion wouldn't exist. My point is more about how in the UK you might give a measure in one system, but then increasing the measure you might convert into a different system entirely. e.g. If you ask an Englishman how far apart you should stand for social distancing, he might say 2 meters. But if you ask him how far it is from London to Brighton, he might say it is 50 miles.
        perl4ever 6y ago
        >gallons are rarely exchanged between America and the UK I didn't go looking for an example; it's one that I've run into a lot over the years, because people spontaneously ask why, over and over, American cars get much worse MPG than elsewhere. Not realizing the gallons are smaller.
paranoidrobot 6y ago
It's the residency rules that matter here. For an Australia, you pay income tax if you're a resident for taxation purposes. For an Australian Citizen to answer that they're not a resident for taxation purposes is complicated and depends in part on the type of Visa you have. Last I looked, for me, as an Australian citizen, to not have to pay tax would mean getting a permanent Visa in another country and being resident in that country. They specifically excluded time-limited visas, even if you can get them renewed automatically. It means travelling around the world, even for years at a time, I still need to account for my income and lodge tax returns in Australia. The one upside is getting credit for income taxes paid in another country. I believe a similar situation also applies to Canadian citizens, as a few former Canadian colleagues in Australia had to go through a whole process of getting their Australian taxation recognised in Canada.
- sk0g 6y ago
  Do you mean if you pay, say, 20% tax in Switzerland as an Australian, never setting foot in Australia for an income year. Then you lodge tax in Australia and the ATO says you only have tax credits for 20% of your income, meanwhile you'd be paying 32% of your income as tax - you would then have to pay ATO the 12% difference out of pocket? Do you have any links to information regarding Australian citizens being taxed abroad? I know for HECS, etc you're still meant to lodge and pay those amounts, but didn't realise it might be a fair bit worse than that!
  - paranoidrobot 6y ago
    It's complicated, but assuming that the ATO thought you were a resident for taxation purposes, then yes you still lodge a tax return in Australia, claim the tax paid in Switzerland as a credit (assuming it's recognised) and pay whatever gap there is. It's made more difficult because tax years don't align, so it needs to be worked out that way too. Oh, and because Switzerland probably put their tax records in Swiss-Fench/Swiss-German all your documents would need to be formally translated. I'd start by checking put the ATO site they had a bunch of tests for your residency there.
- EE84M3i 6y ago

If you're not a US citizen, you won't have to pay income at all due to tax residency rules. only the US is brazen enough to charge non-resident citizens income tax

PopeDotNinja 6y ago

>> only the US is brazen enough to charge non-resident citizens income tax Don't forget Hungary, Myanmar, and Eritrea, too! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_taxation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_taxation

tom_mellior 6y ago
"Hey, we're doing the same things as Hungary, Myanmar, and Eritrea" is not usually a good argument for anything. Anyway, the Hungary part surprised me since I'm a Hungarian citizen living abroad and have never been bothered about tax. The Wikipedia table says residents of countries with tax treaties are exempt, and that should be pretty much all of them? The PDF link from Wikipedia is broken, which is normal for how the Hungarian government operates.
- noir_lord 6y ago
  Same for my partner who is Hungarian though in her case it was one EU country to another (well it was at the time, won't be soon, bloody brexit).
- perl4ever 6y ago
  Since the US has an exemption for foreign income, this seems like making overmuch of a technicality. It reminds me of the histrionics over the US not being officially metric by people from the UK.
  - oh_sigh 6y ago
    Well that's rich, coming from people who can't even stick with one system and have a weird mix of imperial, metric, and various archaic units - which is IMHO worse than just being on imperial.
    - perl4ever 6y ago
      That description applies to both the US and UK, perhaps others, and it's hard to be unaware when you're connected to a global computer network. Just google "site:uk mpg". "Put simply, all MPG does is tell you approximately how far your vehicle will travel based upon a single UK gallon, which equates to approximately 4.55 litres of fuel" This particular thing, I'm aware of because there is perennial confusion over comparing mpg given that Imperial gallons are larger than American ones. If people just used L/100km.... Chauvinists go to ridiculous lengths to magnify small differences.
      - oh_sigh 6y ago
        That's not the mixing I'm talking about. American gallons and imperial gallons being defined differently is rarely an issue since gallons are rarely exchanged between America and the UK (in a relative usage sense). If America happened to call their unit gabbons, this confusion wouldn't exist. My point is more about how in the UK you might give a measure in one system, but then increasing the measure you might convert into a different system entirely. e.g. If you ask an Englishman how far apart you should stand for social distancing, he might say 2 meters. But if you ask him how far it is from London to Brighton, he might say it is 50 miles.
        perl4ever 6y ago
        >gallons are rarely exchanged between America and the UK I didn't go looking for an example; it's one that I've run into a lot over the years, because people spontaneously ask why, over and over, American cars get much worse MPG than elsewhere. Not realizing the gallons are smaller.

paranoidrobot 6y ago

It's the residency rules that matter here. For an Australia, you pay income tax if you're a resident for taxation purposes. For an Australian Citizen to answer that they're not a resident for taxation purposes is complicated and depends in part on the type of Visa you have. Last I looked, for me, as an Australian citizen, to not have to pay tax would mean getting a permanent Visa in another country and being resident in that country. They specifically excluded time-limited visas, even if you can get them renewed automatically. It means travelling around the world, even for years at a time, I still need to account for my income and lodge tax returns in Australia. The one upside is getting credit for income taxes paid in another country. I believe a similar situation also applies to Canadian citizens, as a few former Canadian colleagues in Australia had to go through a whole process of getting their Australian taxation recognised in Canada.

sk0g 6y ago
Do you mean if you pay, say, 20% tax in Switzerland as an Australian, never setting foot in Australia for an income year. Then you lodge tax in Australia and the ATO says you only have tax credits for 20% of your income, meanwhile you'd be paying 32% of your income as tax - you would then have to pay ATO the 12% difference out of pocket? Do you have any links to information regarding Australian citizens being taxed abroad? I know for HECS, etc you're still meant to lodge and pay those amounts, but didn't realise it might be a fair bit worse than that!
- paranoidrobot 6y ago
  It's complicated, but assuming that the ATO thought you were a resident for taxation purposes, then yes you still lodge a tax return in Australia, claim the tax paid in Switzerland as a credit (assuming it's recognised) and pay whatever gap there is. It's made more difficult because tax years don't align, so it needs to be worked out that way too. Oh, and because Switzerland probably put their tax records in Swiss-Fench/Swiss-German all your documents would need to be formally translated. I'd start by checking put the ATO site they had a bunch of tests for your residency there.
EE84M3i 6y ago