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Anyone don't want longevity for humans? I think death is a beautiful thing and for a lot of us including myself life has been really tough at times. The fact th

Apocryphon 6y ago
It doesn't have to be all or nothing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdCB9yE9Hcc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdCB9yE9Hcc
kiba 6y ago
Anyone don't want longevity for humans? I think death is a beautiful thing and for a lot of us including myself life has been really tough at times. The fact that there is an equalizer in death makes life comforting at times. Life been tough, sure, but never at at any point did I think death is comforting, not even at the lowest point.
synaesthesisx 6y ago
Longevity ≠ immortality. Death is inevitable, but maximizing (quality) existence should be a priority for humanity.
orangecat 6y ago
There are reasonable arguments against significantly increased lifespans, although I strongly disagree. There are no reasonable arguments against preventing or repairing the damage caused by aging, which is both a humanitarian and economic disaster.
ALittleLight 6y ago
I think people who feel this way should be perfectly free to, but not everyone does, and they should be free not to die as per their preference. I think of it as, if my loved one (or me) were in the hospital with a fatal disease, but there was a cure, I would want the cure. I can't really see myself saying "Yeah, but death is so beautiful..." I see aging the same way, as another fatal disease and I'd cure it if I could. I don't hope for an indefinite period of old age, but an indefinite period of good health, like 20-30s.
- catgary 6y ago
  I don’t know, I think one of the kindest things an older generation does is die off and let the younger generations take the reigns.
  - ALittleLight 6y ago
    I don't feel that way at all. I don't need my parents to die to do my own thing. They can keep and continue to grow their stuff and I can build mine. Indeed, I'd be much happier in this case, I don't want to take their reins, I want to live in a world with them and share in life and experiences together, while having my own reins to my own wagon.
  - kharak 6y ago
    I don’t know, I think one of the kindest things Poland could have done is to die off and let the Germans take the reigns. Where is the difference?
Santosh83 6y ago
This should be an individual decision.
- Proven 6y ago
  Nobody asked about that and the question did not imply that shouldn't be the case either.
adrianN 6y ago
Death is not an equalizer. Just because the beggar dies just the same as the rich man, that death doesn't undo any of the beggar's suffering nor any of the rich man's gluttony. There most likely is no afterlife in which those who have suffered are rewarded and those who inflicted suffering punished.
- vaslang 6y ago
  But it is in a way, where the beggar does not have to suffer for eternity, and the rich man's luxury also cannot last forever.
  - staticassertion 6y ago
    And the beggar is supposed to be happy about this? "Ah yeah, life sucked, but at least that other dude died". Who thinks this way?
    - sci_prog 6y ago
      schadenfreude
Proven 6y ago
I don't want it (extreme longevity) for myself. If others want it for themselves, I don't care about that either. One thing that I find puzzling (besides the hubris and entitlement by people who think they should stick around for an extra 50y as if anyone needed them) is that while it may be technically possible for the richest 0.1%, the rest of longevity fans simply don't have the money to sustain themselves longer. What's the point? Nobody needs you, no, you are not special, and you couldn't survive even if the government introduced UBI. So give up already, unless you have $10 mil or more. Today old people die and money gets inherited by people who (economically, and on average) aren't sunk investments - they can still work, innovate and so on. Because of that the money is usually invested, rather than thrown away on keeping old lizards last an extra 50 years. I don't care what people do with their money but I'd rather leave some of my money to family or worthy non-profits (I don't mean Mozilla).
thotsBgone 6y ago
There is no such thing as living forever. It's impossible. You can die, or you can live long enough to change into someone else. Longevity just makes less people have to go through death.
tomp 6y ago
How do you reconcile this belief with not having already committed suicide?
Normal_gaussian 6y ago
Whilst I've seen this point of view a lot, it strikes me as defeatist. A kind of "I shan't involve myself solving the problems of the world, for inequality now finds equality in death".
acituan 6y ago
> Anyone don't want longevity for humans? Not sure what the downvotes are about but problems of longevity is studied under vampire stories, e.g. Interview with the Vampire. They eventually get nihilistic and lost in ennui because they have lost connection with past and future generations and lost a lot, if not all, meaning in their life. There is a school of psychotherapy (existential psychotherapy) that builds around death along with other existential problems (isolation, responsibility, meaning). A proper relationship with death seems to be meaning enhancing and anxiety alleviating than not, but it heavily clashes with other people who don't simply want to think about death.

Apocryphon 6y ago

It doesn't have to be all or nothing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdCB9yE9Hcc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdCB9yE9Hcc

kiba 6y ago

Anyone don't want longevity for humans? I think death is a beautiful thing and for a lot of us including myself life has been really tough at times. The fact that there is an equalizer in death makes life comforting at times. Life been tough, sure, but never at at any point did I think death is comforting, not even at the lowest point.

synaesthesisx 6y ago

Longevity ≠ immortality. Death is inevitable, but maximizing (quality) existence should be a priority for humanity.

orangecat 6y ago

There are reasonable arguments against significantly increased lifespans, although I strongly disagree. There are no reasonable arguments against preventing or repairing the damage caused by aging, which is both a humanitarian and economic disaster.

ALittleLight 6y ago

I think people who feel this way should be perfectly free to, but not everyone does, and they should be free not to die as per their preference. I think of it as, if my loved one (or me) were in the hospital with a fatal disease, but there was a cure, I would want the cure. I can't really see myself saying "Yeah, but death is so beautiful..." I see aging the same way, as another fatal disease and I'd cure it if I could. I don't hope for an indefinite period of old age, but an indefinite period of good health, like 20-30s.

catgary 6y ago
I don’t know, I think one of the kindest things an older generation does is die off and let the younger generations take the reigns.
- ALittleLight 6y ago
  I don't feel that way at all. I don't need my parents to die to do my own thing. They can keep and continue to grow their stuff and I can build mine. Indeed, I'd be much happier in this case, I don't want to take their reins, I want to live in a world with them and share in life and experiences together, while having my own reins to my own wagon.
- kharak 6y ago
  I don’t know, I think one of the kindest things Poland could have done is to die off and let the Germans take the reigns. Where is the difference?

Santosh83 6y ago

This should be an individual decision.

Proven 6y ago
Nobody asked about that and the question did not imply that shouldn't be the case either.

adrianN 6y ago

Death is not an equalizer. Just because the beggar dies just the same as the rich man, that death doesn't undo any of the beggar's suffering nor any of the rich man's gluttony. There most likely is no afterlife in which those who have suffered are rewarded and those who inflicted suffering punished.

vaslang 6y ago
But it is in a way, where the beggar does not have to suffer for eternity, and the rich man's luxury also cannot last forever.
- staticassertion 6y ago
  And the beggar is supposed to be happy about this? "Ah yeah, life sucked, but at least that other dude died". Who thinks this way?
  - sci_prog 6y ago
    schadenfreude

Proven 6y ago

I don't want it (extreme longevity) for myself. If others want it for themselves, I don't care about that either. One thing that I find puzzling (besides the hubris and entitlement by people who think they should stick around for an extra 50y as if anyone needed them) is that while it may be technically possible for the richest 0.1%, the rest of longevity fans simply don't have the money to sustain themselves longer. What's the point? Nobody needs you, no, you are not special, and you couldn't survive even if the government introduced UBI. So give up already, unless you have $10 mil or more. Today old people die and money gets inherited by people who (economically, and on average) aren't sunk investments - they can still work, innovate and so on. Because of that the money is usually invested, rather than thrown away on keeping old lizards last an extra 50 years. I don't care what people do with their money but I'd rather leave some of my money to family or worthy non-profits (I don't mean Mozilla).

thotsBgone 6y ago

There is no such thing as living forever. It's impossible. You can die, or you can live long enough to change into someone else. Longevity just makes less people have to go through death.

tomp 6y ago

How do you reconcile this belief with not having already committed suicide?

Normal_gaussian 6y ago

Whilst I've seen this point of view a lot, it strikes me as defeatist. A kind of "I shan't involve myself solving the problems of the world, for inequality now finds equality in death".

acituan 6y ago

> Anyone don't want longevity for humans? Not sure what the downvotes are about but problems of longevity is studied under vampire stories, e.g. Interview with the Vampire. They eventually get nihilistic and lost in ennui because they have lost connection with past and future generations and lost a lot, if not all, meaning in their life. There is a school of psychotherapy (existential psychotherapy) that builds around death along with other existential problems (isolation, responsibility, meaning). A proper relationship with death seems to be meaning enhancing and anxiety alleviating than not, but it heavily clashes with other people who don't simply want to think about death.