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What I'm surprised about is the bullet casings and markers left at the site - wouldn't professionals remove those?

by tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago

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mkl 6y ago
From the time line, they left in a hurry, just before law enforcement arrived. It's also not easy to collect 100 scattered bullet casings in the dark.
- kelnos 6y ago
  And there were no fingerprints found on the casings, which suggests they had either planned to leave them behind, or planned for the possibility that they'd need to get out of there before they could collect them all.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
  Let me rephrase that: Wouldn't professionals plan to remove them, and thus have an attachment on the gun that collects them in a bag?
shoes_for_thee 6y ago
Beats me. I can speculate a bit: Perhaps professionals would be less likely to remove casings because they do not expect to ever go to trial, or know that the gun they used can not be connected to them (because perhaps it was issued to them for this job), are not local to the area or do not intend to remain in the US after the job. Only 100 casings were found, which does not strike me as very much... Basically just three people dumping a mag each + a smidge extra. It is interesting that the article mentions only finding 7.62x39. This kinda says non-NATO to me, or at least the shooters want us to think "ruskies!"
- sio8ohPi 6y ago
  I wouldn't read anything into the choice of cartridge. Even assuming the shooters were foreign, there's not much reason for them to import the guns, rather than just sourcing them locally, and 7.62 is common in California.
nabilhat 6y ago
The audacity of suggesting this obvious bullshit [0] is stunning. Inanimate objects in an isolated rural area getting shot up around spring break (April 16th) smells a lot like underutilized youths with a case of beer being destructive. Road signs, substations, the Alaska Pipeline [1] - if it's rural enough it all gets shot up sooner or later. If it's disruptive enough, and you're in a position to benefit from spinning up the facts into conclusions that earn your responsibilities some funding, then why shouldn't it be terrorists because some casings didn't have fingerprints. [0] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=casings+catcher https://duckduckgo.com/?q=casings+catcher [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Alaska_Pipeline_System#Incidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Alaska_Pipeline_System#I...
- Lammy 6y ago
  Silicon Valley is an isolated rural area?
  - nabilhat 6y ago
    Here's looking towards San Jose from Coyote: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.185675,-121.7261473,3a,75y,315.89h,80.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdT79ZV7DRcleYFtM1l99Bg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 https://www.google.com/maps/@37.185675,-121.7261473,3a,75y,3... It's not all that far from the spaghetti neighborhoods, but that's where the weird stuff happens. Cranky rural folks break things at the encroaching edges of development. Bored kids get a couple of miles past streetlights and sidewalks and feel like it's no-mans-land.

What I'm surprised about is the bullet casings and markers left at the site - wouldn't professionals remove those?

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mkl 6y ago

From the time line, they left in a hurry, just before law enforcement arrived. It's also not easy to collect 100 scattered bullet casings in the dark.

kelnos 6y ago
And there were no fingerprints found on the casings, which suggests they had either planned to leave them behind, or planned for the possibility that they'd need to get out of there before they could collect them all.
tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
Let me rephrase that: Wouldn't professionals plan to remove them, and thus have an attachment on the gun that collects them in a bag?

shoes_for_thee 6y ago

Beats me. I can speculate a bit: Perhaps professionals would be less likely to remove casings because they do not expect to ever go to trial, or know that the gun they used can not be connected to them (because perhaps it was issued to them for this job), are not local to the area or do not intend to remain in the US after the job. Only 100 casings were found, which does not strike me as very much... Basically just three people dumping a mag each + a smidge extra. It is interesting that the article mentions only finding 7.62x39. This kinda says non-NATO to me, or at least the shooters want us to think "ruskies!"

sio8ohPi 6y ago
I wouldn't read anything into the choice of cartridge. Even assuming the shooters were foreign, there's not much reason for them to import the guns, rather than just sourcing them locally, and 7.62 is common in California.

nabilhat 6y ago

The audacity of suggesting this obvious bullshit [0] is stunning. Inanimate objects in an isolated rural area getting shot up around spring break (April 16th) smells a lot like underutilized youths with a case of beer being destructive. Road signs, substations, the Alaska Pipeline [1] - if it's rural enough it all gets shot up sooner or later. If it's disruptive enough, and you're in a position to benefit from spinning up the facts into conclusions that earn your responsibilities some funding, then why shouldn't it be terrorists because some casings didn't have fingerprints. [0] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=casings+catcher https://duckduckgo.com/?q=casings+catcher [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Alaska_Pipeline_System#Incidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Alaska_Pipeline_System#I...

Lammy 6y ago
Silicon Valley is an isolated rural area?
- nabilhat 6y ago
  Here's looking towards San Jose from Coyote: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.185675,-121.7261473,3a,75y,315.89h,80.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdT79ZV7DRcleYFtM1l99Bg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 https://www.google.com/maps/@37.185675,-121.7261473,3a,75y,3... It's not all that far from the spaghetti neighborhoods, but that's where the weird stuff happens. Cranky rural folks break things at the encroaching edges of development. Bored kids get a couple of miles past streetlights and sidewalks and feel like it's no-mans-land.