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What's wrong with vanishing scrollbar? I prefer them this way. The first thing my emacs config file does is to hide scrollbar.

ryukafalz 6y ago
Mine too, but I’m already familiar enough with Emacs that I don’t need it, and in general most things in Emacs are scrollable and you can recognize them as such once you’ve used it for a while. It would not be the right choice for a default config, or in a context where sometimes things are scrollable and sometimes they aren’t. (This is often the case on mobile phones; if there’s no scroll bar, the only way to tell if something is scrollable is to try it, if you think to.)
sporkologist 6y ago
It adds to cognitive load, now I have to hunt for the frickin scrollbar... mystery-meat UI if you ask me.
mrob 6y ago
It makes me waste valuable working memory remembering my position in the document, and the animation of it appearing and disappearing is distracting. I have a widescreen monitor so I have plenty of horizontal space already.
- nwienert 6y ago
  Even though I agree with you re: pure black text, I sense a lack of understanding that should be present here. Design is always a trade off. Do you want more focus on content, or more information with less focus? Is your default setting more friendly to smaller or larger screens? Every person has different preferences, and every trade off has cost benefits you can run. Yet your statement here is very “black and white” (ahem), assuming everyone should think like you. That betrays a lack of nuance in understanding how design works. In the programming world, you also have these trade offs, yet it’s easier to avoid thinking about them at times. Static vs dynamic languages are full of trade offs like this. To avoid coming across as yelling at clouds, attempt to frame why it’s a trade off you prefer, rather than a platonic ideal others don’t see (because it isn’t).
robocat 6y ago
Discussion from two days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24293421 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24293421

ryukafalz 6y ago

Mine too, but I’m already familiar enough with Emacs that I don’t need it, and in general most things in Emacs are scrollable and you can recognize them as such once you’ve used it for a while. It would not be the right choice for a default config, or in a context where sometimes things are scrollable and sometimes they aren’t. (This is often the case on mobile phones; if there’s no scroll bar, the only way to tell if something is scrollable is to try it, if you think to.)

sporkologist 6y ago

It adds to cognitive load, now I have to hunt for the frickin scrollbar... mystery-meat UI if you ask me.

mrob 6y ago

It makes me waste valuable working memory remembering my position in the document, and the animation of it appearing and disappearing is distracting. I have a widescreen monitor so I have plenty of horizontal space already.

nwienert 6y ago
Even though I agree with you re: pure black text, I sense a lack of understanding that should be present here. Design is always a trade off. Do you want more focus on content, or more information with less focus? Is your default setting more friendly to smaller or larger screens? Every person has different preferences, and every trade off has cost benefits you can run. Yet your statement here is very “black and white” (ahem), assuming everyone should think like you. That betrays a lack of nuance in understanding how design works. In the programming world, you also have these trade offs, yet it’s easier to avoid thinking about them at times. Static vs dynamic languages are full of trade offs like this. To avoid coming across as yelling at clouds, attempt to frame why it’s a trade off you prefer, rather than a platonic ideal others don’t see (because it isn’t).

robocat 6y ago

Discussion from two days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24293421 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24293421