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That's extremely disturbing how can they justify banning tik tok for inciting ethnic violence yet give facebook a free pass?

srean 6y ago
Possibly because FB and WA have been toeing the party line (as it has been toeing the Trump line in the US). TikTok might have been less than sycophantic towards the ruling party here in India. It helps that one can use it to play to their gallery by appearing to stick it to China. There had been recent incursions by the Chinese well inside Indian borders. The ruling party has been trying to cover that up and needed some token resistance to showcase. Given the mutually cuddly relations between PM and Zuckerberg, the ban of TikTok is not really that surprising.
jariel 6y ago
It's a geopolitical issue, probably not one of hate speech. India is not concerned about US Government spying on them, so much. All large Chinese companies have strong ties to the CCP (they have internal staffers who are party members, essentially acting as internal party oversight). Ergo, TT is definitely an organ of the state. It's just a matter of 'how much' in practicality. So TT gets the ban.
- jariel 6y ago
  FYI to be more clear - the Chinese Communist Party has party officials placed within corporate organisations in order to maintain control, and to require businesses to adhere to CCP Policy. As of 2019 - 70% of Chinese business had 'CCP organs' placed within the company for oversight, and Xi wants to put it to at least 95% very soon. [1] From the Guardian: "Central Organisation Department, the party’s personnel body, found that 68% of China’s private companies had party bodies by 2016, and 70% of foreign enterprises. Although these figures sound high, they don’t match the targets the party has set for itself. In Xi’s old stamping ground of Zhejiang, for example, officials set a target in August 2018 to have cells inside 95% of private businesses." There is no ambiguity here: while the state may allow private enterprises to manage day-to-day affairs, all private businesses are subject to controls and scrutiny by the CCP - directly from agents within the company - so that they meet CCP objectives. Given that, all Chinese companies are de-facto CCP companies from the perspective of national security and strategic policy. The parallel would be Trump putting a 'special team' of CIA or Republicans inside every American company to ensure oversight of his agenda. This is very material to the nature of Social Media operations and global influence. Edit: which is why India et. al. are going to be much more concerned about TikTok than other apps and that the primary concern is not issues over speech. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business-xi-jinping-communist-party-state-private-enterprise-huawei https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business...

srean 6y ago

Possibly because FB and WA have been toeing the party line (as it has been toeing the Trump line in the US). TikTok might have been less than sycophantic towards the ruling party here in India. It helps that one can use it to play to their gallery by appearing to stick it to China. There had been recent incursions by the Chinese well inside Indian borders. The ruling party has been trying to cover that up and needed some token resistance to showcase. Given the mutually cuddly relations between PM and Zuckerberg, the ban of TikTok is not really that surprising.

jariel 6y ago

It's a geopolitical issue, probably not one of hate speech. India is not concerned about US Government spying on them, so much. All large Chinese companies have strong ties to the CCP (they have internal staffers who are party members, essentially acting as internal party oversight). Ergo, TT is definitely an organ of the state. It's just a matter of 'how much' in practicality. So TT gets the ban.

jariel 6y ago
FYI to be more clear - the Chinese Communist Party has party officials placed within corporate organisations in order to maintain control, and to require businesses to adhere to CCP Policy. As of 2019 - 70% of Chinese business had 'CCP organs' placed within the company for oversight, and Xi wants to put it to at least 95% very soon. [1] From the Guardian: "Central Organisation Department, the party’s personnel body, found that 68% of China’s private companies had party bodies by 2016, and 70% of foreign enterprises. Although these figures sound high, they don’t match the targets the party has set for itself. In Xi’s old stamping ground of Zhejiang, for example, officials set a target in August 2018 to have cells inside 95% of private businesses." There is no ambiguity here: while the state may allow private enterprises to manage day-to-day affairs, all private businesses are subject to controls and scrutiny by the CCP - directly from agents within the company - so that they meet CCP objectives. Given that, all Chinese companies are de-facto CCP companies from the perspective of national security and strategic policy. The parallel would be Trump putting a 'special team' of CIA or Republicans inside every American company to ensure oversight of his agenda. This is very material to the nature of Social Media operations and global influence. Edit: which is why India et. al. are going to be much more concerned about TikTok than other apps and that the primary concern is not issues over speech. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business-xi-jinping-communist-party-state-private-enterprise-huawei https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business...