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thinner maybe, better is subjective.

cowsandmilk 6y ago
Removable batteries of the same size have less life and need to be replaced more frequently. For a given volume of battery, no removable gives you longer life for a single use and a longer usable life in general before it needs to be replaced.
- MAGZine 6y ago
  They're the same battery. Maybe packaged slightly differently, but being able to remove it does not affect it's ability to supply power.
  - samatman 6y ago
    "packaged slightly differently" has to mean "packaged durably enough to protect the bare battery from damage". By the very nature of the design constraint, a removable battery will take up more space inside a device than the same chemistry packaged without the protective case, springs to hold the contacts in place, and so on. That means by eschewing it, you can take your pick among: a thinner phone, more components, or a larger battery. There's no way around this.
    - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
      > That means by eschewing it, you can take your pick among: a thinner phone, more components, or a larger battery. There's no way around this. That's making a lot of unstated assumptions. To start with, that the battery needed to consume all available space. The width and length of the phone are determined by the size of the screen, and a certain minimum depth is required to prevent this: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/5/24/17389220/apple-bendgate-internal-documents-iphone-6-plus https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/5/24/17389220/a... So then you have the dimensions of the phone already dictated by concerns other than the battery. At that point you could still use all of the available space for a battery, but if that's more battery capacity than you actually need, it makes the phone heavier. So you could very well already have some unused space inside the phone and not have any trade off with thickness at all, and in practice this is true for several phones that nonetheless have epoxied batteries. Moreover, even if the trade off you're describing exists for a given phone, that doesn't prove it's significant. Do we have to destroy the environment over a fraction of a millimeter?
- ses1984 6y ago
  You know what's faster than quick charging? Swapping a battery. You know what carries less risk of fire than quick charging? Swapping a battery.

Removable batteries of the same size have less life and need to be replaced more frequently. For a given volume of battery, no removable gives you longer life for a single use and a longer usable life in general before it needs to be replaced.

MAGZine 6y ago
They're the same battery. Maybe packaged slightly differently, but being able to remove it does not affect it's ability to supply power.
- samatman 6y ago
  "packaged slightly differently" has to mean "packaged durably enough to protect the bare battery from damage". By the very nature of the design constraint, a removable battery will take up more space inside a device than the same chemistry packaged without the protective case, springs to hold the contacts in place, and so on. That means by eschewing it, you can take your pick among: a thinner phone, more components, or a larger battery. There's no way around this.
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    > That means by eschewing it, you can take your pick among: a thinner phone, more components, or a larger battery. There's no way around this. That's making a lot of unstated assumptions. To start with, that the battery needed to consume all available space. The width and length of the phone are determined by the size of the screen, and a certain minimum depth is required to prevent this: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/5/24/17389220/apple-bendgate-internal-documents-iphone-6-plus https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/5/24/17389220/a... So then you have the dimensions of the phone already dictated by concerns other than the battery. At that point you could still use all of the available space for a battery, but if that's more battery capacity than you actually need, it makes the phone heavier. So you could very well already have some unused space inside the phone and not have any trade off with thickness at all, and in practice this is true for several phones that nonetheless have epoxied batteries. Moreover, even if the trade off you're describing exists for a given phone, that doesn't prove it's significant. Do we have to destroy the environment over a fraction of a millimeter?
ses1984 6y ago
You know what's faster than quick charging? Swapping a battery. You know what carries less risk of fire than quick charging? Swapping a battery.