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For the tiny fraction of people who need to change battery, just do the labor. Everyone else can enjoy a better phone until the OS is obsolete and the device is

For the tiny fraction of people who need to change battery, just do the labor. Everyone else can enjoy a better phone until the OS is obsolete and the device is physically degraded.

on_and_off 6y ago
thinner maybe, better is subjective.
- cowsandmilk 6y ago
  Removable batteries of the same size have less life and need to be replaced more frequently. For a given volume of battery, no removable gives you longer life for a single use and a longer usable life in general before it needs to be replaced.
  - MAGZine 6y ago
    They're the same battery. Maybe packaged slightly differently, but being able to remove it does not affect it's ability to supply power.
    - samatman 6y ago
      "packaged slightly differently" has to mean "packaged durably enough to protect the bare battery from damage". By the very nature of the design constraint, a removable battery will take up more space inside a device than the same chemistry packaged without the protective case, springs to hold the contacts in place, and so on. That means by eschewing it, you can take your pick among: a thinner phone, more components, or a larger battery. There's no way around this.
      - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
        > That means by eschewing it, you can take your pick among: a thinner phone, more components, or a larger battery. There's no way around this. That's making a lot of unstated assumptions. To start with, that the battery needed to consume all available space. The width and length of the phone are determined by the size of the screen, and a certain minimum depth is required to prevent this: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/5/24/17389220/apple-bendgate-internal-documents-iphone-6-plus https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/5/24/17389220/a... So then you have the dimensions of the phone already dictated by concerns other than the battery. At that point you could still use all of the available space for a battery, but if that's more battery capacity than you actually need, it makes the phone heavier. So you could very well already have some unused space inside the phone and not have any trade off with thickness at all, and in practice this is true for several phones that nonetheless have epoxied batteries. Moreover, even if the trade off you're describing exists for a given phone, that doesn't prove it's significant. Do we have to destroy the environment over a fraction of a millimeter?
  - ses1984 6y ago
    You know what's faster than quick charging? Swapping a battery. You know what carries less risk of fire than quick charging? Swapping a battery.
afrojack123 6y ago
>For the tiny fraction of people who need to change battery, just do the labor. Everyone else can enjoy a better phone until the OS is obsolete and the device is physically degraded. You are a corporate tool. Congrats on spending more money for the same item every year.
- dang 6y ago
  Personal attacks will get you banned here. So will unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments, which you've unfortunately also been posting. Could you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN in the intended spirit? We'd be grateful.

For the tiny fraction of people who need to change battery, just do the labor. Everyone else can enjoy a better phone until the OS is obsolete and the device is physically degraded.

on_and_off 6y ago

thinner maybe, better is subjective.

cowsandmilk 6y ago
Removable batteries of the same size have less life and need to be replaced more frequently. For a given volume of battery, no removable gives you longer life for a single use and a longer usable life in general before it needs to be replaced.
- MAGZine 6y ago
  They're the same battery. Maybe packaged slightly differently, but being able to remove it does not affect it's ability to supply power.
  - samatman 6y ago
    "packaged slightly differently" has to mean "packaged durably enough to protect the bare battery from damage". By the very nature of the design constraint, a removable battery will take up more space inside a device than the same chemistry packaged without the protective case, springs to hold the contacts in place, and so on. That means by eschewing it, you can take your pick among: a thinner phone, more components, or a larger battery. There's no way around this.
    - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
      > That means by eschewing it, you can take your pick among: a thinner phone, more components, or a larger battery. There's no way around this. That's making a lot of unstated assumptions. To start with, that the battery needed to consume all available space. The width and length of the phone are determined by the size of the screen, and a certain minimum depth is required to prevent this: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/5/24/17389220/apple-bendgate-internal-documents-iphone-6-plus https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/5/24/17389220/a... So then you have the dimensions of the phone already dictated by concerns other than the battery. At that point you could still use all of the available space for a battery, but if that's more battery capacity than you actually need, it makes the phone heavier. So you could very well already have some unused space inside the phone and not have any trade off with thickness at all, and in practice this is true for several phones that nonetheless have epoxied batteries. Moreover, even if the trade off you're describing exists for a given phone, that doesn't prove it's significant. Do we have to destroy the environment over a fraction of a millimeter?
- ses1984 6y ago
  You know what's faster than quick charging? Swapping a battery. You know what carries less risk of fire than quick charging? Swapping a battery.

afrojack123 6y ago

>For the tiny fraction of people who need to change battery, just do the labor. Everyone else can enjoy a better phone until the OS is obsolete and the device is physically degraded. You are a corporate tool. Congrats on spending more money for the same item every year.

dang 6y ago
Personal attacks will get you banned here. So will unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments, which you've unfortunately also been posting. Could you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN in the intended spirit? We'd be grateful.