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For failure of legislation, judiciary, administration, media in India to protect minority, Facebook is not the primary actor. Indeed minorities failed to get su

For failure of legislation, judiciary, administration, media in India to protect minority, Facebook is not the primary actor. Indeed minorities failed to get support from top courts in India where habeas corpus (the most fundamental basic right of Freedom in Indian constitution) litigations are pending for over 1 year and constantly being postponed, and the topmost court is busy prosecuting a lawyer with urgency for a tweet. His main offence is to use public interest litigation to help minorities, question govt and courts and bring to the front the tyranny of majoritarian politics of suppression. He is in cross-hairs of the current govt, so it’s one another way to silence him from questioning govt or courts for decisions. Agree that Facebook should act decisively to say no to things which incites violence and suppress the voice of minority. The least it can do is to remove people immediately in the company who appear in slightest to promote or ignore hate and violent information on platform resulting in loss of life. Here Facebook is duty bound to act internally within its company to make sure it’s staff are responsible for their actions. I don’t see any of this indeed the whole Facebook team in India who did it are promoted based on research in WSJ and this article. Getting cozy with richest man closer to right wing is just to secure profits and market at the expense of principles. Also right wing politics in India enjoys a substantial support, especially the Hitler style (reflected in many govt decisions). Facebook is just reflection of what’s in the society at present. Majority of the people are happy that a temple built will make India no. 1 in the world, talks and real actions on COVID-19 has become boring and not important as it inches towards no. 1 in the world for COVID-19 infections.

eklavya 6y ago
> Majority of the people are happy that a temple built will make India no. 1 in the world, talks and real actions on COVID-19 has become boring and not important as it inches towards no. 1 in the world for COVID-19 infections. I strongly object to your line of reasoning here. The “Hindu right wing extremists/nationalists” have been waiting for the temple to be built for about 500 years now. If those people including me are happy about it, what’s wrong with it? COVID-19 is definitely not turning out to be as deadly in India. When should we stop worrying about it? People in my family became positive while exercising highest caution and that didn’t seem to help. It must be pretty badly spread by now. It looks to me that merely exercising faith in Hinduism is right wing and extremist to a section, while they will close their eyes and shut their mouths about the burning of a city by the “oppressed minority”. If you object to it, you must hate the minority. If a section isn’t happy with the current govt for whatever reason doesn’t suddenly make the whole country “right wing” in the western sense. (I still can’t understand what it even means fo the current govt to be right wing but I am tired of debating that)
- mavelikara 6y ago
  > looks to me that merely exercising faith in Hinduism is right wing and extremist to a section Plenty of people exercise their religious faith, Hinduism and otherwise, without adopting an aggressive posture against anyone else. They don't get called out for right wing extremism. > while they will close their eyes and shut their mouths about the burning of a city by the “oppressed minority”. If you object to it, you must hate the minority. This is whataboutism.
  - jovianwaldo 6y ago
    > Plenty of people exercise their religious faith, Hinduism and otherwise, without adopting an aggressive posture against anyone else. They don't get called out for right wing extremism. Do you know in India - only Hindu land. Every year 140-160 Hindus are killed by Muslims, for religious reasons. Can you answer me why ?? > This is whataboutism. Not Whereaboutism, hypocracy if you are fair. Some more Info. 1. Muslims were the original rich people and rulers in India for about 500 years on and off. 2. Muslims always killed, forcefully converted and humiliated Hindus, but never apologized or reconciled not even today, and they keep on humiliating Hindus and killing and raping minor 8-10 year old Hindu girls. Muslims are disgusting people. 3. Western white colonial and racist people have distorted and lied about these current events and historical events. So, if you are white colonial legacy person you do not have any right to say anything on India or Hindus. 4. If you say anything, I will expose the white racist pigs and their activities against Hindus. So, better shutup.
    - praveen9920 6y ago
      Can someone flag this racist comment. Let's show that HN can do better than FB
      - jovianwaldo 6y ago
        The comment is not racist, it wants to expose the racist opinion. I hope you understand the difference.
    - deleted 6y ago
throwaway250 6y ago
> Also right wing politics in India enjoys a substantial support, especially the Hitler style Since independence in 1947 Hindu population in Pakistan dwindled from 15% to 2%, in Bangladesh from 22% to 8% whereas in India the Muslim population in India increased from 9% to 14%. This is a result of extensive ethnic cleansing of Hindus. This was also witnessed in Kashmir where 350,000 Kashmiri Hindus were forced to leave their homeland. It's actually Hindus who bore the brunt of Hitler style genocide. I'll share a personal story. My ancestors were originally from East Bengal, today's Bangladesh. They were forced to leave in 1947 due to violence by Muslims. My granduncle was killed by them. An aunt had 11 members of her family burnt alive. The area I grew up in was extensively populated by Hindu refugees from East Bengal. All those families had similar stories to tell. So it's galling to me when you accuse Hindus of Hitler style tactics when they're the real victims of it.
- jeremysalwen 6y ago
  The real "Hitler-Style tactics" is not any specific historical injustice, it is the promotion of tribalism and nationalism, dividing people up into "us" (who have been wronged) and "them" (who did the wrong, and therefore deserve to be punished as a group) on the basis of race, religion, etc. The opposite of Hitlerism is not Jews getting revenge on the Germans, it is liberalism. There is no room for whataboutism, because liberalism is not about showing how "they" are more evil than "us", because there is no "us" and "them".
  - throwaway250 6y ago
    Nobody is talking about revenge. However, what I oppose is victim blaming. I constantly see Hindus getting blamed but without any acknowledgement of the much larger monstrosities Muslims inflicted on them. Why is that discussion missing?
- triceratops 6y ago
  > So it's galling to me when you accuse Hindus of Hitler style tactics when they're the real victims of it. Stop thinking in terms of "X are the real victims", "Y are the real aggressors". It leads to a never-ending cycle of hatred and violence. Everyone is human, everyone deserves protection, and everyone is capable of doing good and evil at different times and in different places. GP didn't say "all Hindus" and they definitely didn't say "Hindus outside India", which is who you're talking about. Your ancestors experienced "persecution of a minority" in their homelands, and that's what GP is also referring to. It is always wrong, no matter who the persecutor is and who the minority is. But it's possible for people of Group A to be the minority in one place and the persecutor in another. Sometimes it's the same individuals, because they want revenge. But often it's people saying "Well what we're doing isn't so bad, did you hear they do X bad thing to our people in other countries?" These are destructive patterns of thought - they corrode societies and nations. Focus on making the place where you live positive, happy, and peaceful instead of pointing fingers. This comment thread is about India, so GP was talking about persecution of minorities there.
heavyset_go 6y ago
> * Facebook is just reflection of what’s in the society at present.* Facebook is a company that makes a profit off of engagement, even if that engagement is driven by hate. Facebook alone chooses what they promote on their platform. It is not some kind of mirror that just reflects what goes on in society, it is a company that distorts the truth, outrages and pushes paid propaganda on its users in order to turn a profit.
- dragonsh 6y ago
  That’s the reason mentioned in my comment that Facebook chose profits and market over principles in India based on WSJ research and this article. In India they choose the side of the govt, political party and an ideology, it’s again a reflection of the kind of staff managing Facebook in India and although they are duty bound to punish such staff they rewarded them and still defending them to secure the market and profits.
sbmthakur 6y ago
> Also right wing politics in India enjoys a substantial support, especially the Hitler style (reflected in many govt decisions). Do you even understand what Hiter style means?

eklavya 6y ago

> Majority of the people are happy that a temple built will make India no. 1 in the world, talks and real actions on COVID-19 has become boring and not important as it inches towards no. 1 in the world for COVID-19 infections. I strongly object to your line of reasoning here. The “Hindu right wing extremists/nationalists” have been waiting for the temple to be built for about 500 years now. If those people including me are happy about it, what’s wrong with it? COVID-19 is definitely not turning out to be as deadly in India. When should we stop worrying about it? People in my family became positive while exercising highest caution and that didn’t seem to help. It must be pretty badly spread by now. It looks to me that merely exercising faith in Hinduism is right wing and extremist to a section, while they will close their eyes and shut their mouths about the burning of a city by the “oppressed minority”. If you object to it, you must hate the minority. If a section isn’t happy with the current govt for whatever reason doesn’t suddenly make the whole country “right wing” in the western sense. (I still can’t understand what it even means fo the current govt to be right wing but I am tired of debating that)

mavelikara 6y ago
> looks to me that merely exercising faith in Hinduism is right wing and extremist to a section Plenty of people exercise their religious faith, Hinduism and otherwise, without adopting an aggressive posture against anyone else. They don't get called out for right wing extremism. > while they will close their eyes and shut their mouths about the burning of a city by the “oppressed minority”. If you object to it, you must hate the minority. This is whataboutism.
- jovianwaldo 6y ago
  > Plenty of people exercise their religious faith, Hinduism and otherwise, without adopting an aggressive posture against anyone else. They don't get called out for right wing extremism. Do you know in India - only Hindu land. Every year 140-160 Hindus are killed by Muslims, for religious reasons. Can you answer me why ?? > This is whataboutism. Not Whereaboutism, hypocracy if you are fair. Some more Info. 1. Muslims were the original rich people and rulers in India for about 500 years on and off. 2. Muslims always killed, forcefully converted and humiliated Hindus, but never apologized or reconciled not even today, and they keep on humiliating Hindus and killing and raping minor 8-10 year old Hindu girls. Muslims are disgusting people. 3. Western white colonial and racist people have distorted and lied about these current events and historical events. So, if you are white colonial legacy person you do not have any right to say anything on India or Hindus. 4. If you say anything, I will expose the white racist pigs and their activities against Hindus. So, better shutup.
  - praveen9920 6y ago
    Can someone flag this racist comment. Let's show that HN can do better than FB
    - jovianwaldo 6y ago
      The comment is not racist, it wants to expose the racist opinion. I hope you understand the difference.
  - deleted 6y ago

throwaway250 6y ago

> Also right wing politics in India enjoys a substantial support, especially the Hitler style Since independence in 1947 Hindu population in Pakistan dwindled from 15% to 2%, in Bangladesh from 22% to 8% whereas in India the Muslim population in India increased from 9% to 14%. This is a result of extensive ethnic cleansing of Hindus. This was also witnessed in Kashmir where 350,000 Kashmiri Hindus were forced to leave their homeland. It's actually Hindus who bore the brunt of Hitler style genocide. I'll share a personal story. My ancestors were originally from East Bengal, today's Bangladesh. They were forced to leave in 1947 due to violence by Muslims. My granduncle was killed by them. An aunt had 11 members of her family burnt alive. The area I grew up in was extensively populated by Hindu refugees from East Bengal. All those families had similar stories to tell. So it's galling to me when you accuse Hindus of Hitler style tactics when they're the real victims of it.

jeremysalwen 6y ago
The real "Hitler-Style tactics" is not any specific historical injustice, it is the promotion of tribalism and nationalism, dividing people up into "us" (who have been wronged) and "them" (who did the wrong, and therefore deserve to be punished as a group) on the basis of race, religion, etc. The opposite of Hitlerism is not Jews getting revenge on the Germans, it is liberalism. There is no room for whataboutism, because liberalism is not about showing how "they" are more evil than "us", because there is no "us" and "them".
- throwaway250 6y ago
  Nobody is talking about revenge. However, what I oppose is victim blaming. I constantly see Hindus getting blamed but without any acknowledgement of the much larger monstrosities Muslims inflicted on them. Why is that discussion missing?
triceratops 6y ago
> So it's galling to me when you accuse Hindus of Hitler style tactics when they're the real victims of it. Stop thinking in terms of "X are the real victims", "Y are the real aggressors". It leads to a never-ending cycle of hatred and violence. Everyone is human, everyone deserves protection, and everyone is capable of doing good and evil at different times and in different places. GP didn't say "all Hindus" and they definitely didn't say "Hindus outside India", which is who you're talking about. Your ancestors experienced "persecution of a minority" in their homelands, and that's what GP is also referring to. It is always wrong, no matter who the persecutor is and who the minority is. But it's possible for people of Group A to be the minority in one place and the persecutor in another. Sometimes it's the same individuals, because they want revenge. But often it's people saying "Well what we're doing isn't so bad, did you hear they do X bad thing to our people in other countries?" These are destructive patterns of thought - they corrode societies and nations. Focus on making the place where you live positive, happy, and peaceful instead of pointing fingers. This comment thread is about India, so GP was talking about persecution of minorities there.

heavyset_go 6y ago

> * Facebook is just reflection of what’s in the society at present.* Facebook is a company that makes a profit off of engagement, even if that engagement is driven by hate. Facebook alone chooses what they promote on their platform. It is not some kind of mirror that just reflects what goes on in society, it is a company that distorts the truth, outrages and pushes paid propaganda on its users in order to turn a profit.

dragonsh 6y ago
That’s the reason mentioned in my comment that Facebook chose profits and market over principles in India based on WSJ research and this article. In India they choose the side of the govt, political party and an ideology, it’s again a reflection of the kind of staff managing Facebook in India and although they are duty bound to punish such staff they rewarded them and still defending them to secure the market and profits.

sbmthakur 6y ago

> Also right wing politics in India enjoys a substantial support, especially the Hitler style (reflected in many govt decisions). Do you even understand what Hiter style means?